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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding particle decay and the nature of particle collisions, specifically regarding neutrons, leptons, and bosons. It is established that a neutron decays into a proton, electron, and neutrino, but these particles are not constituents of the neutron. The conversation highlights that particle collisions can produce various child particles depending on the energy involved, and that higher energy collisions yield different outcomes. The upgrade from the LEP to the LHC is justified by the significantly greater energy achievable with protons compared to electrons, allowing for the creation of heavier particles like the Higgs boson.

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  • Understanding of particle physics concepts such as neutrons, protons, electrons, and neutrinos.
  • Familiarity with particle collision dynamics and energy conservation principles.
  • Knowledge of the differences between leptons and bosons.
  • Awareness of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and its operational principles compared to the LEP.
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  • Research the principles of particle decay and the conservation laws in particle physics.
  • Learn about the differences between leptons and bosons, including examples like photons and W/Z bosons.
  • Investigate the operational mechanics and energy requirements of the LHC versus the LEP.
  • Explore the implications of high-energy particle collisions in creating new particles, including the Higgs boson.
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Students and professionals in physics, particularly those focused on particle physics, collider experiments, and the fundamental interactions of matter. This discussion is beneficial for anyone seeking to clarify concepts related to particle decay and collision outcomes.

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Hi, I was hoping someone could shed light on my confusion.

I understand that a neutron decays into a proton, electron and neutrino. However I also read that a neutron isn't actually made from them. I don't quite understand this. However I shall try...

Would I be correct in saying that when particles collide and produce other particles, this doesn't mean that these child particles are actual constituents of the parent particles they came from? It really comes down to how energetic these particles are upon impact, as to what resultant particles are emitted. Low energy collisions emit one set of child particles, whereas a higher energy collision will emit a different set of child particles. So in fact the neutron could decay into something else if the 'energy' was set high enough.

Further to this I was thinking about the LHC. Prior to its upgrade the LEP collided leptons, however now it is a hadron collider. The LEP was fundamental in establishing the mass of the W/Z boson. So essentially lepton collisions produced bosons. This confuses me as I thought leptons can't be further divided into other fundamental particles. The experiment leads me to believe that bosons can arise from leptons. I think this is where I am getting confused.

I am driven to make the conclusion that given any two random particle streams (whether they be both bosons, fermions, hadrons or a combination or whatever particle), that the collision will result in whatever particle(s) you desire, given high enough energies. Is this correct?

So why upgrade the LEP to a LHC? If my line of thought is correct, can't you just increase the energy of the electron/positron collision to energies sufficient enough to create a higgs boson (as the LEP creates bosons)? Or does it require more energy for the LEP to generate a higgs boson, as opposed to the LHC? (i.e. cost of this energy differential would out-scale the cost of the LHC upgrade)

Thanks for any help!

phyzzy :smile:
 
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phyzzy said:
I understand that a neutron decays into a proton, electron and neutrino. However I also read that a neutron isn't actually made from them. I don't quite understand this. However I shall try...
Correct, it's easier to think about the particles being totally destroyed (turned into energy) and then the energy being used to make whatever new particles are needed to add upto the same total amount of energy. There are also other rules to conserve charge / spin etc before and after the collision. Think of it as making change, a $5 bill isn't made of dimes / quarters / pennies but you can convert it into them!


So essentially lepton collisions produced bosons. This confuses me as I thought leptons can't be further divided into other fundamental particles.
Bosons are another class of particles. A photon is a boson so you could collide an electron and an anti electron and just end up with a pair of photons.


So why upgrade the LEP to a LHC? If my line of thought is correct, can't you just increase the energy of the electron/positron collision to energies sufficient enough to create a higgs boson (as the LEP creates bosons)?
Protons are 2000 times heavier than electrons but have the same charge, so if you accelerate them through the same voltage you get 2000 times as much energy!
Or another way of thinking about it, you can built a machine with 2000 times lower voltages than if you used electrons ( I know it's a rather simplified picture of the LHC)
 

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