Particle in a Box: U=0 Inside, ∞ Outside

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a particle in a box, specifically addressing the potential energy (U) being zero inside the box and infinite outside. Participants explore the implications of these conditions on the probability of finding the particle and the limits of integration used in calculations.

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  • Participants question the rationale behind the potential energy being constant at zero within the box and infinite outside. They also inquire about the necessity of integrating the probability from negative infinity to positive infinity and the subsequent adjustment to the limits from 0 to L.

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Some participants provide insights into the reasoning behind the infinite potential outside the box, suggesting that it simplifies calculations and ensures the particle remains confined. Others elaborate on the nature of potential energy being relative and the implications for probability calculations, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is an assumption that the box is defined with specific boundaries, and the discussion touches on the non-realistic nature of the infinite potential model used in this context.

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for a particle in a box,
why is U a constant=0 in the box but infinite on the outside?


also why when you are calculating the probability, the range is from negative infinity to positive infinity? and then why do you have to change it to go from 0 to L?
 
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In the case of a particle in a box one contstraints the particle to be found only inside the box so that the probabality for the particle to be found outside the box is zero.

To describe this situation with a potential one has to use an infinite potential outside the box, so that a particle just doesn't have enough energy to be found in this region.

Because the probability to find the particle somewhere is only nonzero for 0<x<L these limits can be used in integrals, the rest doesn't contribute anything to the value of the integral.
 
asdf1 said:
for a particle in a box,
why is U a constant=0 in the box but infinite on the outside?
also why when you are calculating the probability, the range is from negative infinity to positive infinity? and then why do you have to change it to go from 0 to L?

Pretty much what da_willem said- I'm just "wordier". First of all, potential is always "relative" to some base so you can always take the potential at some point to be 0. In this simple (non-realistic) example, the point is to look at a sharp jump in potential so it assumes a constant potential inside the box which can then be taken to be 0- actually any constant would give the same result.

With a finite "potential well"- that is if the potential were any finite value, as long as it was larger than the total energy of the particle, outside the box, you would find the particle has some probability of being outside the box- where, classically, it doesn't have enough energy to be! Taking the potential outside the box to be "infinite" (again, non-realistic) simplifies the calculations greatly giving discreet eigenvalues and forcing the particle to be within the box.

In general, to find the expected position of the particle, you would have to integrate the "probability" function over all space: x, y, z going from -infinity to infinity(you may be working in only one dimension but it's the same thing). If that probability function is 0 outside some area- in this case, outside the box, then, as da-willem said, that part of the integral will be 0 and can be ignored. I presume, though you didn't say it, that the box has one corner at (0,0,0) and sides of length L. Integrating from 0 to L covers all the region in which the probability function can be non-zero.
 
thank you very much for clearing up myquestions!!! it is very helpful~ :)
 

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