Particle, kinetic energy, decay point

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the energy required for a particle, with a known lifetime and mass-energy equivalence, to have a distinguishable decay point from its production point on a photographic plate. The context is within the realm of particle physics and special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the particle's lifetime in its rest frame and the lab frame, questioning how to incorporate relativistic effects. There are attempts to apply Lorentz transformations, but confusion arises regarding the appropriate variables to use. Some participants suggest using the uncertainty principle, while others express concern about its relevance given the current chapter's content.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and clarifying concepts related to relativistic effects on time and distance. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been provided regarding the relevance of the particle's lifetime in different reference frames.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of applying concepts from special relativity and the potential confusion stemming from the problem's requirements, including the need for a specific measurement separation and the constraints of the course material.

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Homework Statement


The lifetime of a particle is 1.0*10^-16 s in the particle's rest frame. With what energy would one of these particles have to be produced so that its decay point is distinguishable from its production point in a photographic plate? Assume that a 1 mm separation is required for a measurement. The particle mass corresponds to mc^2 = 150 MeV.

Homework Equations


energy of particle with no potential energy
E = gamma * m * c^2
where gamma = 1 / sqrt(1 - (v^2/c^2))

kinetic energy of a particle
K = m * c^2 * (gamma - 1)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried calculating the velocity, v= 1*10^(-3)m / 1 * 10^(-16) s = 1 * 10^13 m/s. but this velocity is greater than c, which is both bad/impossible and prevents me from using other equations I have.

i feel like first I need to resolve this velocity problem before I can continue, since most of my energy equations in the textbook involve velocity, and this problem involving both a time and a distance lead me to believe velocity will be involved.

suggestions? hints?... anything would be appreciated.

Thanks.
,Yroyathon
 
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Use uncertainty principle.
 
well, Hm.

the uncertainty principle is in the next chapter, we haven't gone over it yet. So either there's been some sort of screwup and the prof or anyone hasn't noticed it, or there has to be a way to solve it without the uncertainty principle.
 
Remember, the lifetime given is that in the particle's rest frame. The lifetime seen in the lab's reference frame will be different.
 
aha. yes. that's definitely in this chapter, thanks. i'll dig back into the problem now and try to incorporate that info.
 
ok then. so I tried using the Lorentz transformations we have for t -> t', and x -> x', but I didn't now what to put for the u, the speed of the inertial frame. So I've got u's and gamma's floating around everywhere gumming up the works, keeping me from being able to solve explicitly for t and x', the time in the observation frame and the displacement in the particle's frame. Maybe this isn't the correct approach.

We've got some momentum and energy in special relativity material/equations, but my physic1&2 is pretty rusty, so setting up the problem is difficult. could someone explain at least part of the process or ideas involved?

I'm just flailing at the moment because I don't really know which approach to use now.
 

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