Particle-Wave Duality of Elementary Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of particle-wave duality in elementary particles, exploring how particles like leptons and quarks can exhibit wave-like behavior. Participants delve into the descriptions of these phenomena, the implications of wavefunctions, and the relationship between particle characteristics and their wave properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how particles are described as waves, proposing that each particle might have unique characteristics of frequency and amplitude.
  • Another participant mentions de Broglie's hypothesis, stating that a particle's momentum relates to its wavelength through the equation λ = h/p.
  • There is a discussion about the amplitude of waves, with one participant suggesting it corresponds to the sum of energies in a stream of particles.
  • A different viewpoint argues that particles do not "move as a wave," but can exhibit wave-like behavior under certain conditions, referencing the slit experiments.
  • One participant clarifies that the amplitude of a photon relates to the electric field and that the energy of a photon is determined by its frequency.
  • There is a distinction made between wavefunctions and wave-particle duality, with one participant explaining that wavefunctions deal with probability amplitudes and their projections in different spaces.
  • Another participant asserts that the wave-like properties of particles exist at all times, even when not in motion, and that measurements can yield different locations for the same particle.
  • It is noted that the addition of wave amplitudes applies to bosons, while fermions cannot occupy the same state, preventing such addition.
  • One participant proposes that the type of particle determines its wavefunction, countering the idea that the wavefunction determines the particle type.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of particle-wave duality, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how wavefunctions relate to particle types or the implications of wave behavior in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of wavefunctions and the conditions under which particles exhibit wave-like behavior, which may not be fully resolved. The relationship between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics is also touched upon, suggesting a potential prerequisite understanding that is not universally agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those new to quantum mechanics, particularly individuals seeking to understand the foundational concepts of particle-wave duality and the mathematical descriptions involved.

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Hi, I am new to this forum, and to physics in general.

I have been reading the basics of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics but am yet to learn the mathematical side.

I am just trying to wrap my head around particle-wave duality and specifically, the wave quantifying of elementary particles.

When particles like leptons or quarks act as waves, how are these described? (In a basic sense). I am somewhat envisioning each particle having its own unique characteristics of frequency and amplitude within a quantum. Is this even close?

I understand light as frequency modulation, but is that all at a constant amplitude? And is the amplitude of a wave how we differentiate at all?

I apologize if that made no sense. As I say, only just embarking on this amazing field and I intend to pursue it indefinitely, so your answers won't go amiss! Thanks!
 
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Sometimes things act like particles, sometimes they act like waves.

As for how they are described, you can say a particle with momentum p has wavelength λ = \frac{h}{p}. h is the Planck constant. This was de Broglie's hypothesis.

Light has an amplitude with corresponds to intensity with just corresponds to how many photons there are.

Don't be afraid to read the overviews of the subject that include the mathematical details. They're the only way to truly understand what's going on.
 
Thanks for that.

So, when you have a stream of particles moving as a wave, they move as a single wave and its amplitude is the sum of all the energies?

Also, is it the wavefunction of the wave that determines the particle type?
 
I don't think particles "move as a wave," it's just that a stream of particles can behave like a wave (e.g. exhibit interference) under certain conditions. You're probably thinking of the slit experiments.

The "amplitude" of a photon is really the amplitude of the electric field and when you square it you get the observable intensity, which goes up when there are more photons. Remember, the energy of a photon is determined by its frequency.

Wavefunctions and the wave-particle duality are two different concepts that have some connections that can be hand-waved, I probably shouldn't try to do it. Wavefunctions deal with probability amplitudes. If you square the amplitudes, wavefunctions give the probability to observe... something. It depends on what space the wavevector (state) is projected on. For example, a position-space wave function is the probability amplitude to observe at a certain position, momentum-space wavefunction tells you the probability amplitude for momentum, etc.
 
Hi

I recommend Leonard Susskind's lectures on Quantum Mechanics. (Part of a series of lectures on modern physics). Gives a good introduction to both the maths and the physical interpretation.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=84C10A9CB1D13841

You can also view on iTunesU - which has the advantage of being able to view x1.5 and x2 if you want to move more quickly through some of the bits.

Best wishes

E
 
Susskind's lectures are a good intro, but I recommend going through the classical mechanics ones before the quantum mechanics ones.
 
Daanikus said:
Thanks for that.

So, when you have a stream of particles moving as a wave, they move as a single wave and its amplitude is the sum of all the energies?

The wave properties that all particles have exists as a wavefunction that determines the probability of that particle being found in a certain location. This wave-like property exists at all times, even when the particle isn't moving. But, even though it isn't moving, if you make many accurate enough measurements, you will see that the particle will be found at different locations each time!

The adding together of particles to get one "larger" wave only works for bosons such as photons. Fermions cannot do this as they cannot occupy the same spot at the same time and thus can never add up in this way.

Also, is it the wavefunction of the wave that determines the particle type?

I'd say it's the reverse. The type of particle determines what its wavefunction will be.
 

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