Path of a free particle over a sphere

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a free particle on the surface of a sphere, specifically examining the relationship between angular coordinates and the implications of initial conditions on the particle's trajectory.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the angles ##\theta## and ##\phi## on a great circle and question the validity of the equations presented. There are attempts to clarify whether a free particle can move along lines of latitude and the conditions under which this is possible.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, checking equations and discussing the implications of initial velocities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the arrangement of coordinates, suggesting a potential approach to simplify the analysis.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the motion of the particle and the constraints imposed by the spherical geometry. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations about the nature of motion on the sphere's surface.

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Homework Statement
Consider a particle of mass m whose motion is restricted to occur on the surface of a sphere of radius R. There are no other forces acting on the particle. Demonstrate that the motion occurs along a circle on the sphere.
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$$\phi=-\frac{c_{2}}{c_{1}}\cot\theta+c_{4}$$
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Try working from the other end, find the relationship between ##\theta## and ##\phi## on a great circle.
E.g. let ##\vec P## be a fixed point on a unit sphere and ##\vec Q## be ##\pi/2## away from it. Write each in Cartesian form but using spherical polar coordinates. The dot product is zero. This gives a relationship between the latitude and longitude of Q, the locus being a great circle.
(But the mix of angle and trig in your equation looks very unlikely to me. Maybe do a sanity check on special cases first; ##\theta=0##, for example.)
 
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Check your equation for ##\dot{p}_\theta##.
 
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Couldn’t a free particle move along a line of latitude?
 
Frabjous said:
Couldn’t a free particle move along a line of latitude?
Only at the equator. Elsewhere it would require a force with a component tangential to the surface.
 
haruspex said:
Only at the equator. Elsewhere it would require a force with a component tangential to the surface.
How does a particle with an initial velocity not pointed in a great circle direction move then. It cannot be on a great circle.
 
vela said:
Check your equation for ##\dot{p}_\theta##.
You are right, that's the mistake. I will change the equation and see what I get.
 
Frabjous said:
How does a particle with an initial velocity not pointed in a great circle direction move then. It cannot be on a great circle.
How can the velocity not be in a direction of a great circle?
 
vela said:
How can the velocity not be in a direction of a great circle?
You’re correct. I had the wrong picture in my head.
 
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I mean, the easy way of solving this is to arrange your coordinates such that the particle is at ##\theta = \pi/2## and ##\dot\theta(0) = 0##. This is always possible and the solution is an affinely parametrised equator. You can always transform back to any other coordinate system should you really really want to.
 
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