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The discussion revolves around a permutation problem in mathematics, where participants are exploring the calculation of paths to vertices in a grid-like structure, possibly involving combinatorial reasoning.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to calculate the number of ways to reach certain vertices, including the use of factorials and Pascal's triangle. There are attempts to clarify the role of a park in the problem setup, with some questioning how to account for it in their calculations.

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Some participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and exploring different interpretations of the setup. There is a sense of progress as one participant expresses understanding after receiving clarification about the calculation of paths to vertices.

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There is mention of an image related to the problem, which may contain crucial visual information. Additionally, the term "park" is used, but its implications for the problem remain unclear and are a point of confusion among participants.

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permutation question (math) [urgent]

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please solve this problem for me. the correct answer is c.

i put 10!/(4!6!), then i know i am suppose to divide/subtract something, but i don't know what. (i have never done this kind of problem before.)
 
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hell I am stumped...
 
You can just add up the ways to get to each vertex. Here are the first few (period represents a vertex, number before each vertex is the number of ways to get to it):
Code:
1. 1. 1. 1. 1.  .  .
1. 2. 3. 4. 5.  .  .
1. 3. 6.        .  .
1. 4.10.  .  .  .  .
 .  .  .  .  .  .  .

See what I'm doing and why?
 
somebody please help
 
but how u going to get the numbers for the dots in the park!

i did try to solvei t using pascal triangle thing...but i got stuck on the park thing...
 
There are no dots in the park. And it's not exactly Pascal's triangle because of the park. Here's a hint (some more vertexes filled in):
Code:
1. 1. 1. 1. 1.  .  .
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.  .
1. 3. 6.       6.  .
1. 4.10.10.  .  .  .
 .  .  .  .  .  .  .
 
Im guessing the park is considered as one big square.
 
No, the park is considered a blank. The number of ways to get to any vertex is equal to the sum of the number of ways to get to any of the immediately preceding vertices.
 
why u have a 10 after the 10? how the get the second 10?
 
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For example take the first 10 you get, at vertex (4, 3) by row, column. At vertex (3, 3) you have a 6, and at vertex (4, 2) you have a 4. You can get to the 10 one of two ways: through (3, 3) by going south, and through (4, 2) by going east. There are 6 ways to get to (3, 3) so there are 6 ways to get to (3, 3) and then go south. There are 4 ways to get to (4, 2) so there are 4 ways to get to (4, 2) and then go east. So you have 4 ways + 6 ways = 10 ways for vertex (4, 3).

If a vertex only has one other vertex leading into it--say the other vertex has 7 ways to get to it--then how many ways can you get to that second vertex?
 
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oh...i think i got it...thanks for this "If a vertex only has one other vertex leading into it--say the other vertex has 7 ways to get to it--then how many ways can you get to that second vertex?"

again..thanks a lot!
 

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