Permutations, combinations and variations of negative numbers.

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Permutations, combinations, and variations of negative numbers are generally considered undefined in combinatorics, leading to a standard answer of zero for cases like combinations of negative elements. Attempting to apply the standard combination formula with negative values results in nonsensical outputs. The discussion highlights the confusion surrounding the application of combinatorial principles when negative integers are involved. Participants suggest exploring related resources for deeper insights into this topic. Understanding the limitations of combinatorial formulas is essential when dealing with negative numbers.
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need help on this?

well guys i was doing some problems with series and i cam up with this problem, i think it belongs to combinatorics but i'll post it here.
How is defined the permutations, combinations and variatons of negative numbers. For example if you were required to find the combinations of -2 elements taken from a set of n elements. TO me this makes no sens?

\left(\begin{array}{cc}-2\\&n)

any help would be appreciated

p.s. sorry for my latex, but i do not know how to write this.
 
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Zero. Or not

sutupidmath said:
How is defined the permutations, combinations and variatons of negative numbers. For example ...\left( {\small \begin{array}{c}n \\ -2 \end{array} } \right)

The standard answer is zero, but if you simply plug a negative value for m (or a value exceeding n) into the formula
<br /> \left( \begin{array}{c}n\\ m \end{array} \right) = \frac{n!}{m! \, (n-m)!}<br /> = \frac{n \, (n-1) \dots (n-m+1)}{ m \, (m-1) \, (m-2) \dots 1}<br />
you get nonsense. See this and this for some musings which should intrigue you!

sutupidmath said:
p.s. sorry for my latex, but i do not know how to write this.

Try hitting "reply" and look at the LaTeX markup in the window.
 
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Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

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