Perpendicular velocity of planets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the initial perpendicular velocities of planets for a solar system emulation. Participants explore the necessary parameters and concepts required to simulate planetary orbits accurately, including gravitational effects and orbital characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether calculating gravity requires only the initial perpendicular velocity of a planet to simulate its path around the sun.
  • Another participant suggests that assuming circular orbits allows for a constant speed calculation based on the radius, although acknowledges that orbits are actually elliptical.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of key orbital parameters, such as eccentricity and semi-major axis, for determining speed at various points in an orbit.
  • Further details are provided about the necessary Keplerian elements needed to calculate perpendicular velocity, including semi-major axis, eccentricity, inclination, and other orbital anomalies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for multiple orbital parameters to accurately calculate velocities, but there is no consensus on the sufficiency of using only the initial perpendicular velocity for simulation purposes.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of orbits (circular vs. elliptical) and the dependence on various orbital parameters are noted, but these remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Hi

I am making a solar system emulation. I need some fairly precise velocities for the planets as a start velocity of the planets and since i calculate the gravity i need it perpendicular in a known distance from the sun.

First of all.. is it correct that if i calculate gravity i would only need the 'start'-velocity(perpendicular) of the planet to be able to simulate a correct path around the sun?

i have searched the web and i don't know where to find them any help?

thanks in advance

Kasper
 
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this may help although its not exactly what you're looking for:

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm
 
Welcome to PF,

If you assume the orbits are circular, then you can figure out what the speed (which is constant) is just based on the radius.

Of course, the orbits aren't circular, they're elliptical. But given key numbers for each orbit, like the eccentricity and semi-major axis, you can determine what the speed is at any point in the orbit. These numbers are what you need to model things correctly.
 
Thanks for your help :)

i was missing the keyword semi-major axis ;)
 
You need to find all the Keplerian elements to find perpendicular velocity:

a - Semimajor
e - Eccentricity
i - Inclination
LAN - Longitude of the Ascending Node
LP - Longitude of the Perihelion
ML - Mean Longitude
The Anomalies - Mean, Eccentric and True

You need all of these just to calculate the Radii.
 

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