Perpendicularity on complex vector space

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The discussion centers on the definition of the cosine of the angle between two vectors in a complex vector space equipped with a Hermitian inner product. Participants explore various definitions of angle and orthogonality, comparing them to definitions used in real vector spaces and considering their implications in different contexts, including applications in physics and signal processing.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the cosine of the angle can be defined as cos(θ) = Re(⟨u,v⟩) / (||u|| ||v||), suggesting that two vectors are perpendicular when the real part of their Hermitian inner product is zero.
  • Another participant challenges this definition, arguing that orthogonality should involve the absolute value of the inner product, proposing cos(θ) = |⟨u,v⟩| / (||u|| ||v||) as a more useful definition.
  • A different perspective suggests defining the angle as the smallest angle θ that makes the expression (⟨U,V⟩ / (||U|| ||V||))e^(iθ) a real number.
  • One participant expresses concern about the arbitrariness of angle definitions in complex vector spaces and inquires about more meaningful definitions used in physics or other applications.
  • Another participant notes that while there may not be a universally useful definition for angles in complex vector spaces, orthogonality can still be defined as ⟨x,y⟩ = 0.
  • A participant provides a geometric reasoning for their definition, relating it to the rotation angle of complex numbers with unit modulus and its relevance in signal processing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single definition of angle in complex vector spaces, with multiple competing views and definitions presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which definition may be more meaningful or applicable.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability and usefulness of different definitions of angle in complex vector spaces, highlighting the dependence on context and the potential arbitrariness of these definitions.

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Hi,
given a complex vector space with a hermitian inner product, how is the cosine of the angle between two vectors defined?
I tried to follow a similar reasoning as in the real case and I got the following:

[tex]cos(\theta)=\mathcal{R}e \frac{ \left\langle u,v\right\rangle}{\left\|u\right\| \left\|v\right\|}[/tex]

Does this make any sense?
If that is correct it means two vectors are perpendicular whenever the real part of their hermitian inner product is zero.

Again, if that is correct, how can we compute the projection of one vector onto another?
Thanks!
 
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The problem with your definition is that orthogonality would only involve the real part of the inner product. A more useful definition of angle would be

[tex]cos(\theta)= \frac{ \left|\left\langle u,v\right\rangle\right|}{\left\|u\right\| \left\|v\right\|}[/tex]
 
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One way to define it is as the smallest of the angles [tex]\theta[/tex] that makes the expression:

[tex]\frac{\left\langle U,V \right\rangle}{\left\| U\right\| \left\| V \right\|}e^{i\theta}[/tex]

A real number.
 
I see.
it seems the definition of angle for complex vector spaces is quite arbitrary!
Aren't you aware of any of these definitions which is more "meaningful" than others? For example one that has been used in physics or has found some application?

I came up to that definition by starting from the law of cosines for triangles which says:

[tex]c^2=a^2+b^2-2abcos(\theta)[/tex]

so ones has:

[tex]|c|^2=<a-b,a-b>=|a|^2+|b|^2-(<a,b>+<b,a>)[/tex]

which implies that:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(<a,b>+<b,a>)=\mathcal{R}e<a,b>=abcos(\theta)[/tex]

What is the geometric reasoning behind the other definitions you are suggesting?
 
The standard definition for real vector spaces is

[tex]\cos\theta=\frac{\langle x,y\rangle}{\|x\|\|y\|}[/tex]

(No absolute value in the numerator). I don't think there is a useful definition for complex vector spaces. But x and y are still said to be orthogonal if <x,y>=0.
 
The geometric reasoning behind the definition I gave (and that is sometimes used in signal processing), is a generalization of the situation in C (considered as a vector space): if you have two complex numbers with unit modulus, then [tex]\theta[/tex] is the rotation angle that takes their product to the real axis.
But Fredrik is also correct: in complex vector spaces (with inner product, of course), orthogonality can always be defined, while angle is somewhat arbitrary.
 

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