Real function inner product space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the characterization of inner product spaces, specifically regarding the vector space of real functions defined on a closed interval [a,b] and the implications of using the function ##1/x## within this context. Participants explore the conditions under which the inner product is defined and the integrability of functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Wolfram's definition of an inner product space for real functions on a closed interval, questioning the validity of including the function ##1/x## due to convergence issues.
  • There is a challenge regarding the convergence of the inner product ##\langle 1/x, 1/x\rangle##, with one participant calculating it as ##-\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{a}##, suggesting it should converge under certain conditions.
  • Participants note that the function ##1/x## is not defined on the interval [-1,1], raising concerns about the requirement for functions to be at least integrable or continuous for the inner product to be valid.
  • One participant questions whether Wolfram's statement is incorrect, indicating a potential misunderstanding or miscommunication regarding the scope of functions included in the definition.
  • A later reply suggests that Wolfram's source may be imprecise, implying that not all functions are included in the definition of an inner product space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of the inner product definition to the function ##1/x##, with no consensus reached on whether Wolfram's statement is entirely accurate.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need for functions to be integrable or continuous for the inner product to be well-defined, highlighting limitations in the generality of the statement made by Wolfram.

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Wolfram says that an example of an inner product space is the vector space of real functions whose domain is an closed interval [a,b] with inner product ##\langle f, g\rangle = \int_a^b f(x) g(x) dx##. But ##1/x## is a real function, and ##\langle 1/x, 1/x\rangle## does not converge... So how is this an inner product space?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Wolfram says that an example of an inner product space is the vector space of real functions whose domain is an closed interval [a,b] with inner product ##\langle f, g\rangle = \int_a^b f(x) g(x) dx##. But ##1/x## is a real function, and ##\langle 1/x, 1/x\rangle## does not converge... So how is this an inner product space?
Why shouldn't it converge? ##\int_a^b \dfrac{1}{x}\dfrac{1}{x}\,dx = -\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{a}\,.##
 
fresh_42 said:
Why shouldn't it converge? ##\int_a^b \dfrac{1}{x}\dfrac{1}{x}\,dx = -\dfrac{1}{b}+\dfrac{1}{a}\,.##
Sorry, I meant to replace ##a## with ##-1## and ##b## with ##1##
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Sorry, I meant to replace ##a## with ##-1## and ##b## with ##1##
But the function ##x \mapsto \dfrac{1}{x}## you mentioned isn't defined on ##[-1,1]##. You also need functions which are at least integrable, usually Lebesgue integrable, or continuous. Real valued alone is too weak, because at least the inner product must be defined!
 
fresh_42 said:
But the function ##x \mapsto \dfrac{1}{x}## you mentioned isn't defined on ##[-1,1]##. You also need functions which are at least integrable, usually Lebesgue integrable, or continuous. Real valued alone is too weak, because at least the inner product must be defined!
So is what Wolfram said incorrect?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
So is what Wolfram said incorrect?
Do you have a link?
 
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