Perturbation Theory with Symmetric Rotator

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The discussion revolves around perturbation theory in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the Hamiltonian for a symmetric rotator and the energy shifts for states with angular momentum quantum number l=1. Participants are exploring the implications of a perturbation term involving cos(θ) in the Hamiltonian.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate the first-order energy corrections using the expectation value of the perturbation. There is uncertainty regarding the role of cos(θ) in the Hamiltonian and how to properly set up the integral for the expectation value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the integration process and normalization issues related to spherical harmonics. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the expectation value correctly, with multiple interpretations being discussed. Guidance has been offered regarding the integral setup, but no consensus has been reached on the specific approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential pitfalls related to integral bounds and normalization in the context of spherical coordinates. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of the mathematical expressions involved.

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Homework Statement


Given the Hamiltonian and perturbation below, what are the energy shifts for the states with l=1
Given H_{0}=(L^2)/(2I)
H_{1}=E_{1}cos\vartheta

Homework Equations


L= r x P


The Attempt at a Solution


in order to find the first order correction to the energy i used:
<lm|H_{1}|lm>
substituting in 1 for l
But now i am stuck because I don't really understand what the cos theta is doing in the Hamiltonian, or how to solve for this equation.

I was thinking I could build the perturbation out of operators i already knew, but i couldn't find a way to build this particular one.
 
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I am struggling with the same problem, I know the spherical harmonics Ylm are involved and I think we can use \Delta E = < l,m|Ecos \theta |l,m> because Ecos\theta is the hamiltonian here but I'm not sure how to put it together.

If you've figured it out please let me know!

-Felicity
 
Do you know how to write the expectation value as an integral?
 
I would write E\int(Ylm)2cos\theta but i know there is more to it than that, a coefficient or something I am missing. Also I'm not sure about the bounds.----wait, just realized that I am looking for polar or spherical coordinates!
 
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So often, sloppy integrals are the culprit for problems with understanding. I'm not pointing my finger specifically at you, Felicity, and you may have just abreviated the full expression that you know on paper, but just in case:

<br /> \langle\mathcal{O}(\theta,\phi)\rangle_{lm}=\frac{\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\int_{\phi=0}^{2\pi}d\phi{}d\theta{}\sin\theta{}\left|Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)\right|^2\mathcal{O}(\theta,\phi)}{\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\int_{\phi=0}^{2\pi}d\phi{}d\theta{}\sin\theta{}\left|Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)\right|^2}<br />

The denominator takes care of any normalization issues that you might be worried about. You will also probably find the orthogonality of the spherical harmonics (and trig functions) useful (but, for the trig functions, be careful about the integration limits).
 
Thank you for your help! You're right, I often make mistakes when quickly jotting down an integral without thinking, and the normalization tecnique will help me a lot.
 
Whoops! I had better fix this. What I wrote works for your specific case, but it is not true in general. I should have just said:

<br /> \langle\mathcal{O}\rangle_{lm}=\frac{\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\int_{\phi=0}^{2\pi}d\phi{}d\theta{}\sin\theta{}Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)^*\mathcal{O}Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)}{\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\int_{\phi=0}^{2\pi}d\phi{}d\theta{}\sin\theta{}\left|Y_{lm}(\theta,\phi)\right|^2}<br />

where \mathcal{O} is understood on the R.H.S. to be represented appropriately. Now who's being sloppy?
 

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