Photon Mass: Empirical Limits & Implications

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a non-zero mass for photons, exploring theoretical, conceptual, and experimental aspects. Participants examine the potential consequences for fundamental physics, gauge invariance, and the structure of relativity, as well as empirical limits on photon mass derived from various experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference empirical limits on photon mass from historical and recent studies, noting that previous assumptions about massless particles like neutrinos have changed.
  • There is speculation about the implications of a massive photon for fundamental physics, including the nature of massless particles and the potential need for a new understanding of charge conservation and gauge invariance.
  • Some argue that if photons were found to have mass, it would challenge the identification of the speed of light as a constant and could lead to a frame-dependent velocity of light.
  • Several participants assert that a massive photon would break gauge invariance and could permit charge non-conservation, raising questions about the implications for electrodynamics and cosmology.
  • There are discussions about the Higgs mechanism and its inability to apply to the photon in the same way it does for W and Z bosons, with some participants providing technical explanations for this distinction.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the implications of a massive photon on Einstein's derivations, suggesting that the constant c could still be interpreted differently without affecting the core principles of relativity.
  • Empirical limits on photon mass are discussed, including estimates derived from gamma-ray burst observations and references to stringent limits found in the Particle Data Group.
  • There is a contention regarding the possibility of constructing a gauge-invariant theory for a massive photon, with differing opinions on the feasibility of such a theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of a massive photon, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the fundamental challenges posed to gauge invariance and charge conservation, while others dispute the extent of these implications and the validity of certain theoretical constructs.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding, particularly regarding the relationship between mass, gauge invariance, and the implications for established theories. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical and conceptual frameworks that would accommodate a massive photon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying theoretical physics, particularly in the areas of particle physics, gauge theories, and the foundations of relativity.

  • #31
bcrowell said:
We used to think neutrinos were massless, and therefore traveled at c. Now we know that at least some types of neutrinos have mass, and travel at less than c. What about the photon?

Do massive photons produce any technical problems in QED?

This is discussed with a number of important and/or very recent references in the section ''Is the photon necessarily massless?'' of Chapter B2 of my theoretical physics FAQ at http://arnold-neumaier.at/physfaq/physics-faq.html#photonmass
Some quotes from there:

''If actual deviations would be found by an accurate enough
experiment, it would make a (tiny) difference to physics.
Maxwell's equations would have to be replaced by Proca's equations
(though for very high accuracy predictions only), Coulomb's
inverse-square law would look slightly different, and quantum
electrodynamics would have to be modified to account for the photon
mass. (Massive QED is still renormalizable, so nothing serious would
happen to the current foundations.)''

The speed of light ''would
simply be renamed to ''limit speed'' or something like that,
photons would have a rest frame, but not much else would change.
One would just have to adjust to the inconvenience that discussions of
concepts such as inertial frames, that are currently linked to
properties of light, could no longer be tested directly by truly
massless particles - since then light no longer travels with the limit
speed, and the behavior of light depends on the reference frame.''

''A conceptual difference between the massless and the massive case is
that massive fields have transverse modes, massless fields cannot have
them. However, for almost massless particles, the transverse mode is
suppressed'' by a huge factor.
 
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  • #32
bcrowell said:
In the massless case, a constant A has an energy density of zero. When the photon has mass, the energy density becomes [E^2+H^2+\mu^2(A^2+V^2)]/8\pi, so even if A's derivatives vanish (so that E and H vanish), you still have an energy density.

Not really. This would yield a constant contribution to the energy density, which is removed again by renormalization.
 

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