Photons from black body spectra

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The discussion centers on the processes involved in the emission of photons from black body spectra, particularly in relation to practical descriptions rather than theoretical frameworks. Participants explore various mechanisms of photon production, with a focus on thermal radiation as it pertains to black body radiation and its relevance to the Sun's emitted spectrum.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a practical understanding of photon production from black bodies, expressing disinterest in the traditional thermodynamic equilibrium explanation.
  • Another participant lists several sources of electromagnetic radiation, including thermal radiation, fission and fusion reactions, and energy transitions of subatomic particles.
  • A focus on thermal radiation is emphasized, with a participant suggesting that there are fundamental processes contributing to this type of radiation.
  • Information from an external source describes the photosphere of the Sun, noting its temperature and density, and raises questions about the interactions of electrons and photons in this region.
  • There is a suggestion that localized electrons may emit photons when interacting with ionized atoms, and that photons can also interact with matter to eject electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interests in the mechanisms of photon emission, particularly distinguishing between thermal radiation and other processes. There is no consensus on the specific fundamental processes contributing to thermal radiation or how they relate to black body spectra.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions underlying their discussions, particularly regarding the nature of thermal radiation and the interactions within the solar atmosphere. The complexity of photon emission processes remains unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the mechanisms of photon emission, particularly in the context of black body radiation and astrophysical phenomena like the Sun.

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Hi,
I don't quite understand which are the fundamental processes for production of photons that are emitted by a "black body". Usually this is explained by considering a cavity in thermodynamic equilibrium but I am not interested in this. I am looking for a more practical description of this phenomena. I would for example like to know if this includes processes like light scattering, bremsstrahlung, cyclotron radiation,...
For example the Sun spectra is known to be close to black body spectra. But how are the photons emitted by the Sun actually produced?

Thanks!
 
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Hello dgrosel:

Here are a few sources of light (electromagnetic radiation) :

Thermal (heat) radiation, fission and fusion reactions, an accelerating electron (I think), an alternating electric current, a moving magnetic field, maybe the Unruh effect (behind Hawking radiation) and more generally nuclear or electron energy transitions.

In a nutshell, if a subatomic particle isn't in a ground state, it's often capable of emitting energy quanta...energy...electromagnetic radiation.

But how are the photons emitted by the Sun actually produced?

See this current related discussion:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3416597#post3416597

Where do photons come from...where do they go? VERY difficult questions.
In string theory, a piece of a string can be a photon...if it has the right energy vibrational characteristics. In QM we have the Schrödinger (wave) and the equivalent Heisenberg matrix mechanics observational based descriptions.
 
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Hi Naty1,
thanks for your reply.

Naty1 said:
Thermal (heat) radiation, fission and fusion reactions, an accelerating electron (I think), an alternating electric current, a moving magnetic field, maybe the Unruh effect (behind Hawking radiation) and more generally nuclear or electron energy transitions.

What I am interested in is actually only the so called "thermal radiation", since this is related to black body radiation. There should probably exist some elementary processes that contribute to this type of radiation.
 
From:

http://www.windows2universe.org/sun/atmosphere/photosphere.html


"Most of the energy we receive from the Sun is the visible (white) light emitted from the photosphere. The photosphere is one of the coolest regions of the Sun (6000 K), so only a small fraction (0.1%) of the gas is ionized (in the plasma state). The photosphere is the densest part of the solar atmosphere, but is still tenuous compared to Earth's atmosphere (0.01% of the mass density of air at sea level). The photosphere looks somewhat boring at first glance: a disk with some dark spots. "

Most matter not ionized, but some is. Therefore electrons find ionized atoms from time to time and get localized and give off photons? From time to time photons find matter and eject electrons and disappear.
 

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