What Are Our Varied Preferences in Physical Aesthetics?

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The discussion revolves around diverse preferences in physical features among individuals, emphasizing that tastes vary widely across cultures and genders. Participants share their specific likes and dislikes, highlighting traits such as high cheekbones, strong jawlines, and eye color, while also expressing preferences for body types, including a preference for fuller figures versus slimmer ones. The conversation touches on how cultural influences shape these preferences, with some noting the impact of societal standards on body image and attraction. Personal hygiene and natural scents are also mentioned as significant factors in attraction. The dialogue reflects a broader understanding that physical attraction is often intertwined with emotional connections, suggesting that love can reshape individual preferences over time. Overall, the thread encourages an open and respectful exchange of ideas about physical attraction without judgment of differing cultural standards.
  • #61
DanP said:
. Fat doesn't have anything to do with big bones. .

From an aesthetic point of view, it does. A person who is bigger boned can carry more weight and not appear overweight then someone with a smaller frame.
 
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  • #62
I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage. People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around? I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.
 
  • #63
Monique said:
I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage. People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around? I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.

Finally someone talking some sense.
 
  • #64
Monique said:
I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yto7b8UjcLE&feature Well, not for anything but: the example female pelvis in this video looks bigger to me at least.
People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around?
Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl? Is it not possible, that even if you lipo-suctioned her entire body down to sheer skin and bones, that she would still be physical wider at the pelvis and hip joints?
I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.
:biggrin: Please don't encourage Dan...
DanP said:
Finally someone talking some sense.
You don't know what fat is..."you ain't fat...you ain't nothin..." :biggrin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE
 
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  • #65
FrancisZ said:
Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl?
She has garbageloads of fat on her. You don't need someone to draw a picture for you, you need to simply accept reality and don't cling to perception issues which makes you think elephants are small. That chick is humongous hips and below. Medically , I bet she borders obesity. She will get there soon. Thats her bright future. Another obese teenager bites the dust.

FrancisZ said:
:biggrin: Please don't encourage Dan...

She doesn't need to encourage me. What you shouldn't do is to encourage fat women to become even fatter by rejecting the crude reality and calling them "big boned" and **** like this. Fat girls are fat. Their denial and the denial of some men of the fact doesn't change the truth. Fat, nearly obese.
FrancisZ said:
You don't know what fat is...

Fat is your enemy.
 
  • #66
FrancisZ said:
Well, not for anything but: the example female pelvis in this video looks bigger to me at least.

Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl? Is it not possible, that even if you lipo-suctioned her entire body down to sheer skin and bones, that she would still be physical wider at the pelvis and hip joints?
Sure, there are four major types of pelvis shapes (gynaecoid, android, anthropoid, platypelloid). A consequence of having a wide pelvis would be that the hip joints are set further apart, creating extra space between the upper legs. You'll notice that in the example that space is not there. Anyway, I feel uncomfortable with discussing the picture in great detail. If anything, the girl is not apple-shaped and that works in her advantage, medically and aesthetically.
 
  • #67
Monique said:
Sure, there are four major types of pelvis shapes (gynaecoid, android, anthropoid, platypelloid). A consequence of having a wide pelvis would be that the hip joints are set further apart, creating extra space between the upper legs...If anything, the girl is not apple-shaped and that works in her advantage, medically and aesthetically.


This is more than sufficient input anyway; and thank you sincerely for it. :redface:

Anyway, would you say then that it IS fair to call this particular person "big boned" (in addition to anything else about her weight; although that would be unkind)? I realize that "big" is hardly a scientific term; but I mean the connotation attached to it (in comparison to, potentially, other pelves).


DanP said:
She has garbageloads of fat on her. You don't need someone to draw a picture for you, you need to simply accept reality and don't cling to perception issues which makes you think elephants are small. That chick has humongous hips and below. Medically , I bet she borders obesity. She will get there soon. Thats her bright future. Another obese teenager bites the dust.


Geeeeeeeeeez Dan, did some fat kid steal your lunch as a child, or what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQtlPPZ6FFE&feature


She doesn't need to encourage me. What you shouldn't do is to encourage fat women to become even fatter by rejecting the crude reality and calling them "big boned" and **** like this. Fat girls are fat. Their denial and the denial of some men of the fact doesn't change the truth. Fat, nearly obese.


I just don't see it, Dan. She's mildly out of shape at the worst.


Fat is your enemy.


Asparagus is my enemy. But fat--although not good in large quantities--has some purpose in the human body. I'm sure I don't have to tell you: fat is stored carbohydrates; muscle dissolves fat for energy.
 
  • #68
FrancisZ said:
This is more than sufficient input anyway; and thank you sincerely for it. :redface:

Anyway, would you say then that it IS fair to call this particular person "big boned" (in addition to anything else about her weight; although that would be unkind)? I realize that "big" is hardly a scientific term; but I mean the connotation attached to it (in comparison to, potentially, other pelves).
No it is NOT. "Big boned" thing is a myth. I told you where to look to see a women with slightly larger bones than usual media of women. The 5′ 11½ Sigourney Weaver for example. And as you see she doesn't use that as an excuse to overflow fat all over her body. Not even at 60 years old :P
FrancisZ said:
I just don't see it, Dan. She's mildly out of shape at the worst.

Mildly out of shape :P You really are a champion for fat women everywhere, aint you ?

Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I
seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P

And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.

FrancisZ said:
fat is stored carbohydrates; muscle dissolves fat for energy.

Fat is fat, not stored CHO :P Fat it's not a CHO.

And no, muscles don't dissolve fat for energy. You may call the process "oxidation", but no dissolution.
 
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  • #69
DanP said:
The 5′ 11½ Sigourney Weaver for example. And as you see she doesn't use that as an excuse to overflow fat all over her body. Not even at 60 years old :P
Yes...I agree Sigourney Weaver probably has more physically massive bones--because she's a rather tall woman. But short of actually killing this poor woman and setting her pelvis on a scale to measure mass, irregardless, it definitely appears to me, that she is more of the "gynaecoid pelvis" type--which is wider than other types. She may also be storing more fat in that area, for the reason you already mentioned (namely, hormones).
Mildly out of shape :P You really are a champion for fat women everywhere, aint you ?
My love was rather broad hipped as well. And I thought she was beautiful at least. To each his own.
Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P
Cruel, man, cruel.
And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.
I have to admit, that comment made me laugh. You don't like lazy people.
Fat is fat, not stored CHO :P Fat it's not a CHO.

And no, muscles don't dissolve fat for energy. You may call the process "oxidation", but no dissolution.
Eh, allow me to rephrase at least: carbohydrates are converted to glycogen, or fatty acids; which if not called upon through either exercise or general processes of homeostasis, eventually become fat tissue.
 
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  • #70
Dan, you are entitled to your opinions, but please don't go around to "obese" girls giving them helpful advice. Many girls have an unfortunate tendency to get neurotic about these kinds of issues.
 
  • #71
Galteeth said:
Dan, you are entitled to your opinions, but please don't go around to "obese" girls giving them helpful advice.

Frankly, I don't care enough about the general 3rd part to give any kind of advice. If anyone asks for help I will be glad to offer it. But he/she has to ask. We (my friends and I ) do help anyone wanting to change their bodies and we did it for free, sometimes giving up significant personal time

Galteeth said:
Many girls have an unfortunate tendency to get neurotic about these kinds of issues.

It shouldn't surprise anyone. Deep inside, they do know the truth, no matter how hard they try to deny it. The truth that they are fat. The gap between what they ought to be and what they are, and the lack of will to act to move from there easily breeds sadness and depression. And to add insult to injury, there is also a social gap they have to face because their handicap.

Lard is a curse.
 
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  • #72
FrancisZ said:
But short of actually killing this poor woman and setting her pelvis on a scale to measure mass,

Actually, we may simply take her BMI, bf% and several different body ratios to prove that is not in the eye of the beholder :P BMI indicators will work well for her as a indicator of the degree of obesity , since she is not, by any stretch if imagination, part of the population for which BMI can give flawed results.

Anyway, what about a fast visual comparison ?

http://thedemotivators.com/wp-content/main/2010_05/epic-booty.jpg
FrancisZ said:
that she is more of the "gynaecoid pelvis" type--which is wider than other types. She may also be storing more fat in that area, for the reason you already mentioned (namely, hormones).

Wider bones are not an excuse for excessive fat.
 
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  • #73
Btw, before anyone jumps to conclusions , Ill state for the record that I also find unacceptable for a man to be fat , puffy like pudding and embrace obesity.

There are no excuses for either sex.
 
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  • #74
DanP said:
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There are no excuses for either sex.

Except for medical/genetic disorders, right? Or someone who is paralyzed and can't exercise?
 
  • #75
Dembadon said:
Except for medical/genetic disorders, right? Or someone who is paralyzed and can't exercise?

yeah, clinical cases excluded, goes without saying.
 
  • #76
DanP said:
yeah, clinical cases excluded, goes without saying.

DanP said:
...

Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P

And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.

...

So, without knowing the woman's medical history, as well as not having any information regarding family genetics, one can't make the claim that I've bolded in your post.
 
  • #77
Dembadon said:
So, without knowing the woman's medical history, as well as not having any information regarding family genetics, one can't make the claim that I've bolded in your post.
Wanna bet ? Most conditions of this kind are controllable through a very effective lifestyle. Even in the case of a disorder in appetite for example, with a genetic basis, the enrgy stored in that fat must come from somewhere. In fact, lifestyle changes will be prescribed by most endocrinologists, in addition to whatever treatment they will find fit. You don't get dis-graciously fat unless you eat like a pig
 
  • #78
DanP said:
Wanna bet ?

Are you saying that you have a way to prove that the woman in the picture has no medical/genetic issues influencing her weight?
 
  • #79
Dembadon said:
Are you saying that you have a way to prove that the woman in the picture has no medical/genetic issues influencing her weight?

No. I am telling you that an effective lifestyle will be a tremendous help in reversing the bf% . Plain and simple, the energy you store as fat must come from somewhere. You don't get fat from thin air. You get fat from overeating. Change your lifestyle, and the effects will be drastically reverse
 
  • #80
It is one of the reasons why I don't think it is fit to discuss the particular case in detail, more information is required (besides the fact that her mom says she is healthy). One thing we do know for sure is that obesity rates are rising and it is spreading to more and more countries, poor life style choses are largely to blame in the majority of these cases.
 
  • #81
DanP said:
No. I am telling you that an effective lifestyle will be a tremendous help in reversing the bf% . Plain and simple, the energy you store as fat must come from somewhere. You don't get fat from thin air. You get fat from overeating. Change your lifestyle, and the effects will be drastically reverse

Then how do you know that the woman in the picture is not already living a healthy lifestyle? In other words, are you making the following claim?

"All people who are overweight/obese due to medical or genetic issues can obtain a healthy body-fat percentage by changing their lifestyle."

I say "all" in the above argument because you seem to be implying that you don't need someone's medical/genetic history to say all that is needed is a lifestyle change.
 
  • #82
Dembadon said:
I say "all" in the above argument because you seem to be implying that you don't need someone's medical/genetic history to say all that is needed is a lifestyle change.
I will reiterate. The only way you get dis-graciously fat as is eating like a pig. You don't get fat from thin air. Nor from your genes. You get fat by eating again and again and again, over your maintenance, and making poor choices on what you eat. If you are fat, you can say with 100% certitude that you have a caloric intake over maintenance, and any improvements in your eating habits WILL help.
 
  • #83
Any worshipers of the female bust out there? I mean, the big one. Come on, admit it.
 
  • #84
Same girl after shedding 10 Kg out. Looking way better. I bet she did changed her lifestyle.
 
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  • #85
Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?
 
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  • #86
Galteeth said:
Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?
Heavy but well proportioned. I hate women that can pack on the pounds yet still remain proportional. Any weight I gain goes straight to the waistline, no where else.
 
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  • #87
Galteeth said:
Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

Good ratios. I would be curious to see more of her legs.
 
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  • #88
Evo said:
Heavy but well proportioned. I hate women that can pack on the pounds yet still remain proportional. Any weight I gain goes straight to the waistline, no where else.
I dated a couple of daughters of the local game warden, One was pretty skinny and leggy, but the rest had that well-proportioned look. Shapely butt, smaller waist, small up top. My lab-partner was more the toothpick model, Cute, with full lips and a nice smile... but skinny until Hell freezes over.
 
  • #89
DanP said:
Wider bones are not an excuse for excessive fat.
No, but hormones are the cause of both wide pelvis and fat storage around that area.
radou said:
Any worshipers of the female bust out there? I mean, the big one. Come on, admit it.
I honestly think, that there's something about every person in the world, that is distinctly attractive about them. Some people have beautiful hair, or beautiful eyes, or beautiful shapes (to name just a few); I have yet to meet anyone, however, that is beautiful from every perspective, and in every combination.

In my humble opinion, I would just say that thinner, shorter women look good with small breasts; and heavy set or tall women look nice with large breasts. Flat can be very cute as well. But even if a woman isn't built in any of those dimensions, I'm certain that there is any number of other aesthetics that are equally feminine and alluring to a red blooded hetero male. I for one am attracted to women with really any distinct attribute. I think most straight men are.

Someone like Milena Velba, for example, has very beautiful bosoms; but she doesn't necessarily have as nice a hips as my boss does (and yes my boss is very lovely, I think, with her wide hips). Alternatively, someone like Judi Monterey was absolutely adorable back in the day (and yet not bosomy, so to speak).

My beloved Jayne was very tall (5'10") had the broadest hips I have ever seen. And honestly, in my heart, no one could ever compare to her, in any respect.
Galteeth said:
Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/12/70 Hot Curvy Girl.jpg
She has more of an hour glass figure I would say. And she's cute too, of course. I just prefer narrower shoulders.
 
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  • #90
FrancisZ said:
No, but hormones are the cause of both wide pelvis and fat storage around that area.
So what ? Still not an excuse to be fat. Never blame it on hormones and wider bones. Blame it on the insanely huge quantities of food they eat.

FrancisZ said:
I honestly think, that there's something about every person in the world, that is distinctly attractive about them

Never felt this. I can't find anything attractive in a lot of women. Wonderful eyes, as you say, on a sub par face won't do anything for attraction.
 
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