What Are Our Varied Preferences in Physical Aesthetics?

[nucleargirl]

The women in the photo is fat. Let's not kid ourselves.

No she's not! She's normal looking. We've been bombarded so much with super-skinny images that normal women are considered fat by some people now. Most models are not normal-looking. they're super thin!

 

[DanP]

No she's not! She's normal looking. We've been bombarded so much with super-skinny images that normal women are considered fat by some people now. Most models are not normal-looking. they're super thin!

You are kidding me. Normal women, really ? If you thinks that's normal, you have a problem.Anyone looking like that should make serious revisions to your eating habits, get a medical checkup and start to exercise. That woman's BMI would equal the one of a little elephant. She is fat.

 

[lisab]

You are kidding me. Normal women, really ? If you thinks that's normal, you have a problem.Anyone looking like that should make serious revisions to your eating habits, get a medical checkup and start to exercise. That woman's BMI would equal the one of a little elephant. She is fat.

Fat or not, it seems all women's clothes are made to fit that body type .

 

[DanP]

Fat or not, it seems all women's clothes are made to fit that body type .

Well, maybe in USA. Come and see EU.

 

[nucleargirl]

You are kidding me. Normal women, really ? If you thinks that's normal, you have a problem.Anyone looking like that should make serious revisions to your eating habits, get a medical checkup and start to exercise. That woman's BMI would equal the one of a little elephant. She is fat.

Actually it is quite normal for a lot women to have fat around the hips/breasts etc. Take a look around outside - you'll find a lot more women looking like Princess Beatrice than some size 6 model. According to her mum she's only UK size 10 which is a size 8 in the US. I'd say that's pretty normal and healthy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7408451.stm

 

[DanP]

Actually it is quite normal for a lot women to have fat around the hips/breasts etc.

Sure its normal :P Like I told before in this thread the hormonal ensemble in a women facilites a certain fat pattern, hips , buttocks and upper legs being fav zones.

The issue is , how much fat you have % in your body. That women has loads. I bet she is well outside accepted BF ranges.

But whatever. If fat is what floats your boat, be fat.

 

[Galteeth]

You are kidding me. Normal women, really ? If you thinks that's normal, you have a problem.

Why do people insist that their preferences are "normal" and everyone else's are abnormal? Why would we we even want attractiveness to be a universal thing? Could it be possible that your genetic makeup and sexual/cultural imprinting disposes you to find certain women as desirable mates, while someone else's leads them towards a different preference?

 

[Evo]

Fat or not, it seems all women's clothes are made to fit that body type .

Clown pants sydrome? I've had my share of those, two other people could have joind me. They do have the slim fit for those of us with no hips or butt and skinny legs.

 

[FrancisZ]

The women in the photo is fat. Let's not kid ourselves.

Sorry, but I just don't see it Dan. As far as I'm concern, "big boned" might actually be a suitable description in this case. She has broad hips, but has thin arms and lower legs. And her mid section has a well defined naval--so exactly, how "fat" could she possibly be?! Maybe you mean phat instead.

But whatever. If fat is what floats your boat, be fat.

Weeeeell...you might have said that to begin with.

Could it be possible that your genetic makeup and sexual/cultural imprinting disposes you to find certain women as desirable mates, while someone else's leads them towards a different preference?

That sounds reasonable.

Clown pants sydrome? I've had my share of those, two other people could have joind me. They do have the slim fit for those of us with no hips or butt and skinny legs.

For the record, tiny women are equally wonderful. I for one love Aileen Quinn (a.k.a. Annie)...

[PLAIN]http://www.broadwayworld.com/upload/32227/aileen.JPG

I subbed one day last year at the same school where she was teaching. She's very good to the students and so adorable. She's really short and thin--like 4'11".

Undoubtedly, there is something to appreciate in anyone's NATURAL appearance.

 

[DanP]

Sorry, but I just don't see it Dan. As far as I'm concern, "big boned" might actually be a suitable description in this case. She has broad hips, but has thin arms and lower legs. And her mid section has a well defined naval--so exactly, how "fat" could she possibly be?!

Not the mid section is her issue, the humongous hips and upper legs. She is **not** big boned she is fat , and medically overweight. She will be obese in 2 years. And the sad part is that the chick looks very young .
You know who is big boned ? Sigourney Weaver for example. Fat doesn't have anything to do with big bones. And thin arms ? There is really nothing thin in those arms, except when you compare them to her legs.

 

[Galteeth]

. Fat doesn't have anything to do with big bones. .

From an aesthetic point of view, it does. A person who is bigger boned can carry more weight and not appear overweight then someone with a smaller frame.

 

[Monique]

I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage. People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around? I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.

 

[DanP]

I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage. People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around? I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.

Finally someone talking some sense.

 

[FrancisZ]

I must say that being big boned is a myth. Sure there may be differences in skeletal mass, but that is no excuse for having a high body fat percentage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yto7b8UjcLE&feature Well, not for anything but: the example female pelvis in this video looks bigger to me at least.

People say the girl is not fat, but then what is the weight she is carrying around?

Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl? Is it not possible, that even if you lipo-suctioned her entire body down to sheer skin and bones, that she would still be physical wider at the pelvis and hip joints?

I must say that it's not necessarily a bad thing to carry weight on your hips, it is better than having fat stored around internal organs.

Please don't encourage Dan...

Finally someone talking some sense.

You don't know what fat is..."you ain't fat...you ain't nothin..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2mU6USTBRE

 

[DanP]

Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl?

She has garbageloads of fat on her. You don't need someone to draw a picture for you, you need to simply accept reality and don't cling to perception issues which makes you think elephants are small. That chick is humongous hips and below. Medically , I bet she borders obesity. She will get there soon. Thats her bright future. Another obese teenager bites the dust.

Please don't encourage Dan...

She doesn't need to encourage me. What you shouldn't do is to encourage fat women to become even fatter by rejecting the crude reality and calling them "big boned" and **** like this. Fat girls are fat. Their denial and the denial of some men of the fact doesn't change the truth. Fat, nearly obese.

You don't know what fat is...

Fat is your enemy.

 

[Monique]

Well, not for anything but: the example female pelvis in this video looks bigger to me at least.

Would someone please draw me a picture to indicate the truly MASSIVE supply of fat on this particular girl? Is it not possible, that even if you lipo-suctioned her entire body down to sheer skin and bones, that she would still be physical wider at the pelvis and hip joints?

Sure, there are four major types of pelvis shapes (gynaecoid, android, anthropoid, platypelloid). A consequence of having a wide pelvis would be that the hip joints are set further apart, creating extra space between the upper legs. You'll notice that in the example that space is not there. Anyway, I feel uncomfortable with discussing the picture in great detail. If anything, the girl is not apple-shaped and that works in her advantage, medically and aesthetically.

 

[FrancisZ]

Sure, there are four major types of pelvis shapes (gynaecoid, android, anthropoid, platypelloid). A consequence of having a wide pelvis would be that the hip joints are set further apart, creating extra space between the upper legs...If anything, the girl is not apple-shaped and that works in her advantage, medically and aesthetically.

This is more than sufficient input anyway; and thank you sincerely for it.

Anyway, would you say then that it IS fair to call this particular person "big boned" (in addition to anything else about her weight; although that would be unkind)? I realize that "big" is hardly a scientific term; but I mean the connotation attached to it (in comparison to, potentially, other pelves).

She has garbageloads of fat on her. You don't need someone to draw a picture for you, you need to simply accept reality and don't cling to perception issues which makes you think elephants are small. That chick has humongous hips and below. Medically , I bet she borders obesity. She will get there soon. Thats her bright future. Another obese teenager bites the dust.

Geeeeeeeeeez Dan, did some fat kid steal your lunch as a child, or what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQtlPPZ6FFE&feature

She doesn't need to encourage me. What you shouldn't do is to encourage fat women to become even fatter by rejecting the crude reality and calling them "big boned" and **** like this. Fat girls are fat. Their denial and the denial of some men of the fact doesn't change the truth. Fat, nearly obese.

I just don't see it, Dan. She's mildly out of shape at the worst.

Fat is your enemy.

Asparagus is my enemy. But fat--although not good in large quantities--has some purpose in the human body. I'm sure I don't have to tell you: fat is stored carbohydrates; muscle dissolves fat for energy.

 

[DanP]

This is more than sufficient input anyway; and thank you sincerely for it.

Anyway, would you say then that it IS fair to call this particular person "big boned" (in addition to anything else about her weight; although that would be unkind)? I realize that "big" is hardly a scientific term; but I mean the connotation attached to it (in comparison to, potentially, other pelves).

No it is NOT. "Big boned" thing is a myth. I told you where to look to see a women with slightly larger bones than usual media of women. The 5′ 11½ Sigourney Weaver for example. And as you see she doesn't use that as an excuse to overflow fat all over her body. Not even at 60 years old :P

I just don't see it, Dan. She's mildly out of shape at the worst.

Mildly out of shape :P You really are a champion for fat women everywhere, aint you ?

Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I
seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P

And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.

fat is stored carbohydrates; muscle dissolves fat for energy.

Fat is fat, not stored CHO :P Fat it's not a CHO.

And no, muscles don't dissolve fat for energy. You may call the process "oxidation", but no dissolution.

 

[FrancisZ]

The 5′ 11½ Sigourney Weaver for example. And as you see she doesn't use that as an excuse to overflow fat all over her body. Not even at 60 years old :P

Yes...I agree Sigourney Weaver probably has more physically massive bones--because she's a rather tall woman. But short of actually killing this poor woman and setting her pelvis on a scale to measure mass, irregardless, it definitely appears to me, that she is more of the "gynaecoid pelvis" type--which is wider than other types. She may also be storing more fat in that area, for the reason you already mentioned (namely, hormones).

Mildly out of shape :P You really are a champion for fat women everywhere, aint you ?

My love was rather broad hipped as well. And I thought she was beautiful at least. To each his own.

Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P

Cruel, man, cruel.

And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.

I have to admit, that comment made me laugh. You don't like lazy people.

Fat is fat, not stored CHO :P Fat it's not a CHO.

And no, muscles don't dissolve fat for energy. You may call the process "oxidation", but no dissolution.

Eh, allow me to rephrase at least: carbohydrates are converted to glycogen, or fatty acids; which if not called upon through either exercise or general processes of homeostasis, eventually become fat tissue.

 

[Galteeth]

Dan, you are entitled to your opinions, but please don't go around to "obese" girls giving them helpful advice. Many girls have an unfortunate tendency to get neurotic about these kinds of issues.

 

[DanP]

Dan, you are entitled to your opinions, but please don't go around to "obese" girls giving them helpful advice.

Frankly, I don't care enough about the general 3rd part to give any kind of advice. If anyone asks for help I will be glad to offer it. But he/she has to ask. We (my friends and I ) do help anyone wanting to change their bodies and we did it for free, sometimes giving up significant personal time

Many girls have an unfortunate tendency to get neurotic about these kinds of issues.

It shouldn't surprise anyone. Deep inside, they do know the truth, no matter how hard they try to deny it. The truth that they are fat. The gap between what they ought to be and what they are, and the lack of will to act to move from there easily breeds sadness and depression. And to add insult to injury, there is also a social gap they have to face because their handicap.

Lard is a curse.

 

[DanP]

But short of actually killing this poor woman and setting her pelvis on a scale to measure mass,

Actually, we may simply take her BMI, bf% and several different body ratios to prove that is not in the eye of the beholder :P BMI indicators will work well for her as a indicator of the degree of obesity , since she is not, by any stretch if imagination, part of the population for which BMI can give flawed results.

Anyway, what about a fast visual comparison ?

http://thedemotivators.com/wp-content/main/2010_05/epic-booty.jpg

that she is more of the "gynaecoid pelvis" type--which is wider than other types. She may also be storing more fat in that area, for the reason you already mentioned (namely, hormones).

Wider bones are not an excuse for excessive fat.

 

[DanP]

Btw, before anyone jumps to conclusions , Ill state for the record that I also find unacceptable for a man to be fat , puffy like pudding and embrace obesity.

There are no excuses for either sex.

 

[Dembadon]

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There are no excuses for either sex.

Except for medical/genetic disorders, right? Or someone who is paralyzed and can't exercise?

 

[DanP]

Except for medical/genetic disorders, right? Or someone who is paralyzed and can't exercise?

yeah, clinical cases excluded, goes without saying.

 

[Dembadon]

yeah, clinical cases excluded, goes without saying.

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Anyway, there are medical standards who determine obesity. It is not in the eye of the beholder. That chick borders obesity. She will get there fast, unless she radically changes her lifestyle. Trust me, I seen hundreds of women bodies of all shapes , BMI and bf% percentage in the gyms during the years. From competitive athlete to really fat chicks who wanted to change their lives. The one in the picture is pretty bad :P

And now, let me tell you something which is in the eye of the beholder, me. I find that body disgusting. Besides the fact she looks really bad, her body reeks of complacency and sloth to me.

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So, without knowing the woman's medical history, as well as not having any information regarding family genetics, one can't make the claim that I've bolded in your post.

 

[DanP]

So, without knowing the woman's medical history, as well as not having any information regarding family genetics, one can't make the claim that I've bolded in your post.

Wanna bet ? Most conditions of this kind are controllable through a very effective lifestyle. Even in the case of a disorder in appetite for example, with a genetic basis, the enrgy stored in that fat must come from somewhere. In fact, lifestyle changes will be prescribed by most endocrinologists, in addition to whatever treatment they will find fit. You don't get dis-graciously fat unless you eat like a pig

 

[Dembadon]

Wanna bet ?

Are you saying that you have a way to prove that the woman in the picture has no medical/genetic issues influencing her weight?

 

[DanP]

Are you saying that you have a way to prove that the woman in the picture has no medical/genetic issues influencing her weight?

No. I am telling you that an effective lifestyle will be a tremendous help in reversing the bf% . Plain and simple, the energy you store as fat must come from somewhere. You don't get fat from thin air. You get fat from overeating. Change your lifestyle, and the effects will be drastically reverse

 

[Monique]

It is one of the reasons why I don't think it is fit to discuss the particular case in detail, more information is required (besides the fact that her mom says she is healthy). One thing we do know for sure is that obesity rates are rising and it is spreading to more and more countries, poor life style choses are largely to blame in the majority of these cases.

 

[Dembadon]

No. I am telling you that an effective lifestyle will be a tremendous help in reversing the bf% . Plain and simple, the energy you store as fat must come from somewhere. You don't get fat from thin air. You get fat from overeating. Change your lifestyle, and the effects will be drastically reverse

Then how do you know that the woman in the picture is not already living a healthy lifestyle? In other words, are you making the following claim?

"All people who are overweight/obese due to medical or genetic issues can obtain a healthy body-fat percentage by changing their lifestyle."

I say "all" in the above argument because you seem to be implying that you don't need someone's medical/genetic history to say all that is needed is a lifestyle change.

 

[DanP]

I say "all" in the above argument because you seem to be implying that you don't need someone's medical/genetic history to say all that is needed is a lifestyle change.

I will reiterate. The only way you get dis-graciously fat as is eating like a pig. You don't get fat from thin air. Nor from your genes. You get fat by eating again and again and again, over your maintenance, and making poor choices on what you eat. If you are fat, you can say with 100% certitude that you have a caloric intake over maintenance, and any improvements in your eating habits WILL help.

 

[radou]

Any worshipers of the female bust out there? I mean, the big one. Come on, admit it.

 

[DanP]

Same girl after shedding 10 Kg out. Looking way better. I bet she did changed her lifestyle.

 

[Galteeth]

Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

 

[Evo]

Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

Heavy but well proportioned. I hate women that can pack on the pounds yet still remain proportional. Any weight I gain goes straight to the waistline, no where else.

 

[DanP]

Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

Good ratios. I would be curious to see more of her legs.

 

[turbo]

Heavy but well proportioned. I hate women that can pack on the pounds yet still remain proportional. Any weight I gain goes straight to the waistline, no where else.

I dated a couple of daughters of the local game warden, One was pretty skinny and leggy, but the rest had that well-proportioned look. Shapely butt, smaller waist, small up top. My lab-partner was more the toothpick model, Cute, with full lips and a nice smile... but skinny until Hell freezes over.

 

[FrancisZ]

Wider bones are not an excuse for excessive fat.

No, but hormones are the cause of both wide pelvis and fat storage around that area.

Any worshipers of the female bust out there? I mean, the big one. Come on, admit it.

I honestly think, that there's something about every person in the world, that is distinctly attractive about them. Some people have beautiful hair, or beautiful eyes, or beautiful shapes (to name just a few); I have yet to meet anyone, however, that is beautiful from every perspective, and in every combination.

In my humble opinion, I would just say that thinner, shorter women look good with small breasts; and heavy set or tall women look nice with large breasts. Flat can be very cute as well. But even if a woman isn't built in any of those dimensions, I'm certain that there is any number of other aesthetics that are equally feminine and alluring to a red blooded hetero male. I for one am attracted to women with really any distinct attribute. I think most straight men are.

Someone like Milena Velba, for example, has very beautiful bosoms; but she doesn't necessarily have as nice a hips as my boss does (and yes my boss is very lovely, I think, with her wide hips). Alternatively, someone like Judi Monterey was absolutely adorable back in the day (and yet not bosomy, so to speak).

My beloved Jayne was very tall (5'10") had the broadest hips I have ever seen. And honestly, in my heart, no one could ever compare to her, in any respect.

Dan, just curious, what do you think of this girl?

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/12/70 Hot Curvy Girl.jpg

She has more of an hour glass figure I would say. And she's cute too, of course. I just prefer narrower shoulders.

 

[DanP]

No, but hormones are the cause of both wide pelvis and fat storage around that area.

So what ? Still not an excuse to be fat. Never blame it on hormones and wider bones. Blame it on the insanely huge quantities of food they eat.

I honestly think, that there's something about every person in the world, that is distinctly attractive about them

Never felt this. I can't find anything attractive in a lot of women. Wonderful eyes, as you say, on a sub par face won't do anything for attraction.

 

[radou]

In my humble opinion, I would just say that thinner, shorter women look good with small breasts; and heavy set or tall women look nice with large breasts.

I like short women with huge breasts.

Someone like Milena Velba, for example, has very beautiful bosoms; but she doesn't necessarily have as nice a hips as my boss does (and yes my boss is very lovely, I think, with her wide hips).

Wow, someone here knows about her! Milena Velba is absolutely beautiful, in my oppinion! And in addition to all, she's german, so she is sexy when she speaks, too! :!)

 

[Galteeth]

I personally have a hard time separating the concept of physical beauty with that of personal beauty. That is to say, if I find someone to be a horrible person, I can't find them attractive.

 

[Galteeth]

So what ? Still not an excuse to be fat. Never blame it on hormones and wider bones. Blame it on the insanely huge quantities of food they eat.

So, basically, what I'm getting here is, you're a chubby chaser. It's ok man. To each his own.

 

[DanP]

So, basically, what I'm getting here is, you're a chubby chaser. It's ok man. To each his own.

It will be a cold day in hell when you'll see me with a fat woman. I am doing my best to maintain my body, so they can at least do the same. It's self respect.

 

[radou]

I personally have a hard time separating the concept of physical beauty with that of personal beauty. That is to say, if I find someone to be a horrible person, I can't find them attractive.

I second that.

 

[FrancisZ]

Never felt this. I can't find anything attractive in a lot of women. Wonderful eyes, as you say, on a sub par face won't do anything for attraction.

Ahhh...you say that...but then one day you fall in love with a woman you had absolutely no attraction to beforehand--it happens, believe me--and then you start noticing everything.

Real, sincere happiness makes a person beautiful. Hostile individuals tend to take less care with their appearance also.

I like short women with huge breasts.

Well, that is in keeping with my theory: straight guys are attracted to distinctions; and a lady such as this would be distinct in two fashions then.

Wow, someone here knows about her! Milena Velba is absolutely beautiful, in my opinion! And in addition to all, she's german, so she is sexy when she speaks, too! :!)

Now that you mention it: accents are very charming as well; and German accents in particular (not sure why, considering German is not considered a "romance" language by itself). I love a Swiss German accent in particular. I also think Amish women are cute (yeah, I know I'm a weirdo).

I personally have a hard time separating the concept of physical beauty with that of personal beauty. That is to say, if I find someone to be a horrible person, I can't find them attractive.

Well, certainly if someone has done something awful to you, in can be hard to see the good in them, in any respect. But sometimes in movie and on television, the villains are quiet attractive.

 

[DanP]

Real, sincere happiness makes a person beautiful.

I really think it's the genes you get from your mommy and daddy :P

I also think Amish women are cute (yeah, I know I'm a weirdo).

Have you seen Jewel DeNyle in "Amish daughters" ?

 

[FrancisZ]

I really think it's the genes you get from your mommy and daddy :P

Have you seen Jewel DeNyle in "Amish daughters" ?

No. And I'm guessing I probably shouldn't either. I don't like anything fake.

 

[Moonbear]

Heavy but well proportioned. I hate women that can pack on the pounds yet still remain proportional. Any weight I gain goes straight to the waistline, no where else.

Sorry. If it's any consolation, it makes it really hard to buy clothes. Clothing manufacturers seem to assume that everyone gains weight in the middle, so when I shop for pants, I end up finding a lot that fit through the hips and butt, but are huge in the waist.

My preferences are for the short, slightly stocky guys. I've been attracted to a few taller guys too, but they also were fairly muscular all over. No chicken legs for me, and thin isn't at all attractive to me physically. As others said early in the thread, if there are other things attractive about a person, you begin to overlook the physical appearances if they aren't quite what normally attracts you. I've dated a couple skinny guys, and did grow to find them more physically attractive with time, but can definitely say it wasn't their looks that attracted me to them.