Physical interpretation of the Hamiltonian

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The discussion centers on the physical interpretation of the Hamiltonian, defined as L=T-V, and its relationship with the Euler-Lagrange equation. The Lagrangian, which is the difference between kinetic energy (T) and potential energy (V), is emphasized as the value to be extremized. Key resources for understanding these concepts include the article by Jozef Hanc and Edwin F. Taylor, which aims to provide an intuitive grasp of the principle, and a previous forum discussion that elaborates on the physical interpretations. The conversation also touches on the limitations of existing literature and the innovative insights offered by Feynman's path-integral formulation of quantum mechanics.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Euler-Lagrange equation
  • Familiarity with Lagrangian mechanics
  • Knowledge of Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Basic concepts of quantum mechanics, particularly Feynman's path integral
NEXT STEPS
  • Read "Action From Conservation of Energy" by Jozef Hanc and Edwin F. Taylor
  • Explore the forum discussion linked in post #10 of the referenced thread for deeper insights
  • Investigate Feynman's path-integral formulation of quantum mechanics
  • Study the relationship between Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics in classical physics
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When dealing with the Euler-Lagrange equation in a physical setting, one usually uses the Hamiltonian L=T-V as the value to be extremized. What is the physical interpretation of the extremizing of this value?
 
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zush said:
When dealing with the Euler-Lagrange equation in a physical setting, one usually uses the Hamiltonian L=T-V as the value to be extremized. What is the physical interpretation of the extremizing of this value?

Actually, (T - V) is the Lagrangian.
It doesn't matter all that much, the Lagrangian and the Hamiltonian are very closely related

As to the Lagrangian (T - V), Here is what I replied in a thread from january 2010:

Try reading the article "www.eftaylor.com/pub/ActionFromConsEnergy.pdf"[/URL][/u] written by Jozef Hanc and Edwin F. Taylor.
They're putting in a serious effort to build up to an intuitive understanding of the principle.
There's more where that came from, the authors have collaborated on several other articles. Links to those articles are available on the [u][PLAIN]http://eftaylor.com/leastaction.html"
page on Taylor's website.



In november 2010 I posted a discussion in a thread where someone asked https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=443711"
The physical interpretation stuff is in post #10 of that thread.

I believe that discussion is good, but of course you must make your own judgement.
An expanded version of that discussion is in the http://www.cleonis.nl/physics/phys256/least_action.php" article on my own website.

When it comes to physical interpretation of the Lagrangian there are very few sources. I get the impression that textbook authors copy what earlier authors have written. That's not necessarily bad, but there's no innovation, I think.
 
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Although I learned yesterday, that it is not allowed to answer with quantum theory in the classical-physics section of this forum, I cannot resist to mention that one possible very intuitive "explanation" for the validity of Hamilton's principle comes from Feynman's path-integral formulation of quantum mechanics. Here, the classical limit is given by the stationary-phase approximation of the path integral. I.e., if the action becomes large compared to \hbar, the path integral is well approximated by consdering only the trajectories in phase space, which are very close to the classical trajectory.

The Lagrangian formulation follows then for a often applicable special case, where the Hamiltonian is quadratic in the canonical momenta with space independent coefficients.
 
thank you I found what I was looking for
 

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