Physical meaning of a spacelike geodesic

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The discussion revolves around the physical meaning of spacelike geodesics in the context of general relativity and spacetime geometry. Participants explore the distinction between geometric and physical interpretations, the implications of spacelike geodesics, and the conditions under which they may hold physical significance.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a spacelike geodesic is a path that goes straight from one place to another, but question its physical meaning compared to its geometric interpretation.
  • It is proposed that a spacelike geodesic represents the longest distance between two events in spacetime, with the notion that multiple geodesics can exist between these events.
  • One participant argues that spacelike geodesics do not have physical meaning, while another counters that they do, suggesting that arc length along such geodesics could represent the proper length of an object in free fall.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions underlying the physical interpretation of spacelike geodesics, particularly regarding the need for specific conventions or conditions in spacetime.
  • There is a discussion about the role of geometry in physics, with some participants asserting that geometry is integral to physical equations, while others maintain that geometric meaning does not equate to physical meaning.
  • The concept of foliation is introduced, with participants discussing how the choice of foliation can affect the interpretation of spacelike geodesics and their associated physical meanings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the physical meaning of spacelike geodesics, with no consensus reached. Some believe they hold physical significance, while others argue they do not, highlighting the ambiguity in the term "physical meaning." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of spacelike geodesics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the interpretation of spacelike geodesics may depend on specific conventions, such as foliation choices, and that without these, intrinsic physical meaning may be difficult to establish. The discussion also touches on the complexity of defining physical meaning in the context of geometry and spacetime.

  • #61
That's also true, if you interpret the tangent space at the point under consideration as an affine point space. This affine space then indeed has the full Poincare symmetry, but for general GR spacetimes you usually don't have a translation symmetry.
 
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vanhees71 said:
That's also true, if you interpret the tangent space at the point under consideration as an affine point space.
As discussed in a recent thread, to endow the underlying set (i.e. the set of spacetime points) of an affine structure the set of tangent spaces at each point must met let me say a 'consistency condition'. Basically vectors belonging to different tangent spaces have to be understood/treated as elements of the same vector space (i.e. the translation vector space) in a such way that axioms of affine space are fullfilled.
 
  • #63
We were talking about one tangent space at one fixed point in spacetime. An affine space is flat, but general-relativistic spacetime at presence of gravitational fields is not.
 
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