Physically acceptable solutions to the Schroedinger equation?

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The discussion revolves around the acceptable forms of the wave function ##\Psi(x, t)## that satisfy the Schrödinger equation, particularly in the context of a particle moving in one dimension. Participants explore the implications of different potential forms, specifically focusing on the case where the potential ##V(x) = 0## and the general solutions for arbitrary potentials.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether all solutions to the Schrödinger equation must take the form ##\Psi = Ae^{i(kx - \omega t)}##, particularly in the context of ##V(x) = 0##.
  • Others note that while mathematically acceptable solutions can be found, they may not yield physically meaningful results, particularly in relation to the De Broglie relations.
  • A participant suggests that solutions for arbitrary potentials will not have the same form as those for free particles.
  • There is a mention of the importance of linear combinations of solutions due to the linearity of the Schrödinger equation.
  • One participant reflects on the relationship between the coefficients in the solutions and their physical meanings, attributing this to the De Broglie hypothesis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the necessity of the specific form of solutions and whether other forms can be valid. Some acknowledge that the question may be flawed, while others maintain that the solutions must align with established forms.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the generality of solutions for arbitrary potentials versus the specific case of free particles. The discussion also touches on the implications of the linearity of the Schrödinger equation for the nature of solutions.

etotheipi
I apologise in advance if this is a silly question! We are aware that the wave function ##\Psi(x, t)## of a particle moving along one dimension will satisfy the differential equation$$i\hbar \frac{\partial \Psi}{\partial t} = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial x^2} + V(x)\Psi$$We are told that if we assume a general form ##\Psi = Ae^{i(kx - \omega t)}## (Edit, cred. PeroK: For ##V(x) = 0##) then the equation will spit out physically correct results. But what about all of the other possible forms for ##\Psi##, do we just discard them? There are some examples that we can discard immediately, e.g. something like ##\Psi = Ae^{i(x - vt)}## that is not dimensionally homogenous. More generally if we run other forms than ##Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}## through the equation then whilst we can find mathematically acceptable solutions, the results are silly physically (for starters, they don't agree with with the De Broglie relations).

Are there any other forms for ##\Psi## that give valid results?
 
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etotheipi said:
I apologise in advance if this is a silly question! We are aware that the wave function ##\Psi(x, t)## of a particle moving along one dimension will satisfy the differential equation$$i\hbar \frac{\partial \Psi}{\partial t} = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial x^2} + V(x)\Psi$$We are told that if we assume a general form ##\Psi = Ae^{i(kx - \omega t)}##, then the equation will spit out physically correct results. But what about all of the other possible forms for ##\Psi##, do we just discard them? There are some examples that we can discard immediately, e.g. something like ##\Psi = Ae^{i(x - vt)}## that is not dimensionally homogenous. More generally if we run other forms than ##Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}## through the equation then whilst we can find mathematically acceptable solutions, the results are silly physically (for starters, they don't agree with with the De Broglie relations).

Are there any other forms for ##\Psi## that give valid results?
Are you talking about solutions for ##V(x) = 0##? Or, are you talking about separation of variables for a general time-independent potential ##V(x)##?
 
PeroK said:
Are you talking about solutions for ##V(x) = 0##? Or, are you talking about separation of variables for a general time-independent potential ##V(x)##?

I was just thinking about general solutions for a particle in any old arbitrary potential. Is that a bit too vague?
 
etotheipi said:
I was just thinking about general solutions for a particle in any old arbitrary potential. Is that a bit too vague?
No, but they won't have solutions of the form ##Ae^{i(kx - \omega t)}##.

Those solutions are for the free particle where ##V(x) = 0##.
 
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Oh hang on, yes you're right, I'm being thick ?:) . So yes, I guess I am restricting this to ##V(x) = 0##.
 
etotheipi said:
Oh hang on, yes you're right, I'm being thick ?:) . So yes, I guess I am restricting this to ##V(x) = 0##.
So, the question is whether all solutions must be of this form?
 
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Actually I realize now that the question is flawed. Of course all solutions must be like that. Don't know what I was thinking. Sorry to be a pain!
 
etotheipi said:
Yes. Sorry :doh:
If you tackle the general equation (with ##V(x)##) using separation of variables, then you get the common form of the time-dependent function: ##e^{-iwt}## or ##e^{-iEt/\hbar}##. And, you get the TISE (time-independent Schroedinger equation):
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2 \psi(x)}{d x^2} + V(x)\psi(x) = E\psi(x)$$
In the special case where ##V(x) = 0##, you have solutions:
$$\psi(x) = Ae^{ikx} + Be^{-ikx}$$
Where ##k = \frac{\sqrt{2mE}}{\hbar}##.

And that is more or less it. You need to appeal to the theory of differential equations to tell you that any other other solutions must be linear combinations of these basis solutions. Note that in all cases, as the SDE is linear, you can superimpose solutions with different energies and you still have a solution. Another mathematical technique (non separation of variables) may yield a set of solutions that look different, but ultimately they must be linear combinations of the basis solutions we found by separation of variables.

Note that the physical importance of these particular solutions is that they are energy eigenstates.
 
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etotheipi said:
Actually I realize now that the question is flawed. Of course all solutions must be like that. Don't know what I was thinking. Sorry to be a pain!
See above, from the linearity of the SDE you could find a set of solutions that look very different, but must be a linear combination of the energy eigenstates.
 
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You're right about the differential equations, yes. I was getting muddled about why the coefficients always magically come out to be ##k## and ##\omega## with their usual meanings, but this is of course the De Broglie hypothesis and the SE was itself built to be consistent with this in the first place. I think I must get more sleep, thanks for your patience 😁
 
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