Physics - Archimedes principle

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Archimedes' principle, specifically calculating the proportion of a wooden board that would float above the surface when submerged in the Dead Sea. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the densities of the wood and the seawater, as well as the implications of the given area without specific dimensions.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to complete the problem due to the lack of volume or dimensions provided, despite understanding the basic principle of buoyancy.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical formulation involving the submerged depth and the height of the wood, indicating a relationship between these variables and the densities of the wood and seawater.
  • A third participant claims to have calculated that 35% of the wooden board would float above the surface, but does not provide details on the calculation method.
  • A later reply clarifies that the dimensions of the board are not necessary for the calculation, as they cancel out in the relevant equations, emphasizing the relationship between submerged and total volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculation method, as there are differing levels of understanding regarding the necessity of dimensions and the interpretation of the problem. Some participants assert that dimensions are irrelevant, while others express confusion about the implications of the given area.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the problem statement, particularly the absence of specific dimensions for the wooden board, which may affect participants' ability to visualize and solve the problem accurately.

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Im having trouble with the following question regarding Archimedes principle.

A wooden board with an area of 4.55m^2 is dropped into the dead sea (P sea- 1240 kg/m^-3). Calculate the proportion that would float above the surface. (P wood - 812 kg/m^-3).

My understanding is that the volume (V sub) of the submerged object over the total volume (V) of the object is equal to the density (P wood) of the Object over the density (P sea) of the water.

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Because the question has given me an area and not a volume or even dimensions to calculate the volume, i am confused as to how to complete the question.
 
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$$\dfrac{4.5 \cdot d}{4.5 \cdot h} = \dfrac{812}{1240}$$
where $d$ is the submerged depth of the wood and $h$ is the physical height of the wood

note the question being asked is the proportion of the wood that floats above the surface …

$$\frac{h-d}{h} = 1-\frac{d}{h}
$$
 
Thank you. So by my calculations, this would have 35% floating above the surface.
 
The point is that you don't need to know the other dimensions- they cancel out of the fraction:
$\frac{V_{sub}}{V}= \frac{d_{sub}A}{dA}= \frac{d_{sub}}{d}$
where V is the volume of the stick, $V_{sub}$ is the volume of the submerged part, d is the thicknes of the stick, $d_{sub}$ is the thickness of the submerged part, and A is the cross section of the stick which is the same both submerged and not submerged.
 

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