Physics graduate can't get job with defense contractor

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The discussion revolves around a recent physics graduate's challenges in securing a job with a defense contractor, while contemplating further education in mechanical engineering. Participants explore the implications of taking various job offers, the value of continuing education, and the potential for employer-sponsored graduate studies.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Career advice
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about whether to seek immediate employment in non-engineering roles or to continue with mechanical engineering classes, emphasizing a desire to work in defense.
  • One participant shares their experience as a summer intern at Sandia, noting the possibility of employer-sponsored graduate education, which they regret not pursuing.
  • Another participant questions whether the jobs being applied for accept physics degrees, suggesting that the original poster should not drop their engineering classes.
  • Some participants argue that finishing education is important, while others highlight the potential benefits of gaining work experience, even in less desirable positions.
  • Concerns are raised about the current state of the defense industry, including potential funding issues and the impact of political priorities on job availability.
  • One participant suggests that the original poster may be too selective in their job search, which could limit opportunities.
  • There is a reiteration of the importance of considering a broader range of job options rather than focusing solely on defense-related positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best course of action for the original poster. There are competing views on whether to prioritize immediate employment or further education, and whether to broaden the job search criteria.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the job market, the relevance of degrees, and the state of the defense industry, which may affect the original poster's decision-making process.

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I just graduated with my BS in physics and applied math this December 2009. I'm currently taking 2 mechanical engineering classes right now through my school's extension program for BA/BS degree holders. After taking these ME classes for 3 weeks now, I'm certain that I want to enter ME for my career. I know I want to eventually go for a MS in ME.

But I'm debating whether to seek employment right now, even if it means dropping those classes in the middle of the semester, or to just take the classes. The problem is that I wish the most to work on tanks, weapons, and missiles for a defense contractor, but I'm not getting any job offers from them. I have gotten a few interviews for other technical positions, such as computer programming/math for economics/finance and website-design companies, but none of them sounded very interesting. If I get future offers for these positions, should I take them, so that I could put them on my resume as work experience so that I can eventually obtain an engineering position? Or should I just wait until I get an offer for a position related to engineering at a defense contractor, not just because the work is more interesting, but because they can also reimburse me to work on a MS part-time?

Another dilemma that I'm having is that I applied to the government labs, such as Sandia, for the SULI summer program. When I applied, I wasn't sure I wanted a phD or MS. But now after thinking it through, I'm sure I want a MS. If I get offered a position at one of those labs, should I take the offer?

Sorry my situation sounds so complicated, but I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help, probably physics BS -> engineering MS people could help the most.
 
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Having been a summer intern at Sandia, I know that there is the possibility of them paying for your MS if they want to keep you on. I kind of wish that I had taken them up on that sort of an offer but with a PhD. They pay pretty well and treated me well. I just wasn't interesting in staying in the area of physics they had me working in (radiation detection). I was a physicist continuing on with physics, but there are plenty of engineers there.
 
Do the jobs you are applying for have physics on the acceptable degrees list? Either way if you want to be an ME I wouldn't drop the classes. There is an awful lot you can do on tank design - materials and electrical engineering too.
 
If you can afford to go to school, go for it; Finish what you have started if you can. If not, working and getting tuition aid from an employer is a great alternative...but involves LONG hours; I have done both...there is no "one size fits all". Taking a position in a large company often means that your success in one area will enable you to move on to other areas with the company.

I just read a scathing article at the Heritage Foundation website regarding how many of our major military systems are now over twenty years old...that they have been neglected and underfunded...many airframes for example, and I guess the Abrahams tank despite it's awsome performance in the middle east. So maybe defense is a lackluster area in a lackluster economy..maybe not. I don't know.

One thing for sure, President Obama has repeatedly said he wants to redistribute wealth, and has not voiced support for major military defense initiatives. So you might check out financial reviews of defense contractors ( stocks) and see what Wall Street thinks about the defense industry. Healthcare is a natural "growth" area due to aging baby boomers; the defense industry may be in the doldrums for the next several years because of spending on other priorities. But the US defense industry also provides systems all around the world so the world economic and political situation IS relevant.
 
russ_watters said:
Do the jobs you are applying for have physics on the acceptable degrees list? Either way if you want to be an ME I wouldn't drop the classes. There is an awful lot you can do on tank design - materials and electrical engineering too.

some of them have physics listed under required or desired majors

Naty1 said:
If you can afford to go to school, go for it; Finish what you have started if you can. If not, working and getting tuition aid from an employer is a great alternative...but involves LONG hours; I have done both...there is no "one size fits all". Taking a position in a large company often means that your success in one area will enable you to move on to other areas with the company.

i can afford paying tuition for an MS, but of course i'd much rather save a lot of money and try to get paid to do it while working for a company.
 
Have you ever considered that maybe you're being too picky and consequently, have narrowed down your choices way too much? I have never thought that it is a good idea for new graduates to have such narrow vision on the career that they want to pursue. It is difficult enough to get a job. It is even worse when you only want to do certain types of jobs and limit your search to just those.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Have you ever considered that maybe you're being too picky and consequently, have narrowed down your choices way too much? I have never thought that it is a good idea for new graduates to have such narrow vision on the career that they want to pursue. It is difficult enough to get a job. It is even worse when you only want to do certain types of jobs and limit your search to just those.

Zz.

I have, that's why i asked: "I have gotten a few interviews for other technical positions, such as computer programming/math for economics/finance and website-design companies, but none of them sounded very interesting. If I get future offers for these positions, should I take them, so that I could put them on my resume as work experience so that I can eventually obtain an engineering position?"

I don't know if its better to take jobs that don't sound interesting or to just take engineering classes and wait for grad school
 

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