Physics makes me feel really worthless

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I’m a 2nd year mechanical engineering student. I initially loved physics and enjoyed watching documentaries and of physics topics and physicist. I wanted to get a physics minor and even go to grad school for physics. But now that I’m taking dynamics which is very physics heavy, I just feel like garbage doing the homework and learning the content. I really wanted a A in the class but now I just want to scrape through with a 50. Come to think of it I was never all that good at physics, I got decent marks in physics 1,2, 3 but that because I studied a lot not because I was naturally smart. I’m seriously reconsidering my pursuit in physics currently, like I’m tired of feeling like garbage while studying and attempting to learn. If it’s this hard and even harder in the future I honestly don’t think I can handle physics or engineering.

 

[hutchphd]

It is certainly not easy. How good is your math proficiency...?

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Well math I’m good in the sense that I get good marks and can learn the procedure and replicate it. But I’m bad in the sense of understanding what the hell I’m even doing.

 

[Dr.D]

Dynamics has been a real wake-up for many aspiring engineering students. It is absolutely key for most of the rest of ME, so take this as an indication of what lies ahead.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

So I guess that means I’m going to struggle a lot in upper year classes in both engineering and physics.

 

[PeroK]

So I guess that means I’m going to struggle a lot in upper year classes in both engineering and physics.

Like the majority of students. It is a struggle. That's why an engineering or physics degree is worth something.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Like the majority of students. It is a struggle. That's why an engineering or physics degree is worth something.

Honestly right now I don’t really know how I feel about the stem field. I started out very motivated and proud that I was working toward something in stem. but now i feel just apathetic towards my degree. I don’t hate it but I also don’t love it like before. I don’t know if it’s because I’m struggling or maybe burnt out but I’m questioning my interest in the major and at times it makes me feel pretty bad.

 

[PeroK]

Honestly right now I don’t really know how I feel about the stem field. I started out very motivated and proud that I was working toward something in stem. but now i feel just apathetic towards my degree. I don’t hate it but I also don’t love it like before. I don’t know if it’s because I’m struggling or maybe burnt out but I’m questioning my interest in the major and at times it makes me feel pretty bad.

What would you do instead?

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I don’t really see myself interested in anything really. I’m not saying I hate the major just don’t feel super excited as before. I don’t care to much about how much money I make and I do like the idea of making/creating things and perhaps contributing something to science. I’m just not a fan of feeling Like I’m stupid and honestly sometimes I’m kinda really lazy and the workload can get irritating.

 

[256bits]

I initially loved physics and enjoyed watching documentaries and of physics topics and physicist

They are engaging to some, or a lot of, extent. New stuff. On the edge of the frontier. Dopamine enhancing.

Maybe look at physics the way that enhances your enjoyment of figuring out a problem - ie so that's how they do it - they figure out how far the ball will travel under the influence of gravity --> gee that's related to how they put a man on the moon or send a rover to mars. Hey I can be one of those guys too.
Studying may be less of a drudge perhaps with an overall picture of what physics can do.

honestly sometimes I’m kinda really lazy and the workload can get irritating.

Like 99.99999% of everybody, so we make things to make tasks easier, but we still end up just as busy doing something else with the 'spare' time.

 

[PeroK]

I don’t really see myself interested in anything really. I’m not saying I hate the major just don’t feel super excited as before. I don’t care to much about how much money I make and I do like the idea of making/creating things and perhaps contributing something to science. I’m just not a fan of feeling Like I’m stupid and honestly sometimes I’m kinda really lazy and the workload can get irritating.

Only you can decide what you want to do with your life.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Usually I like the idea of challenging myself but recently I’ve been pretty negative. It’s not just in school like when I’m playing games that I’m bad at I give up pretty quickly. Just don’t like the idea of challenging myself right now for some apparent reason.

 

[Office_Shredder]

Do you know for a fact that you are failing the class? How does your average compare to the class as a whole?

If you're not sure, you can ask your teacher to give you some context on how your work is so far.

One of two things is happening here - either you suck at the material and need to figure out a plan, or you just think you suck at the material because it's harder than what you've seen before and need a pep talk. My experience is that people can't tell which one they are in.

 

[hutchphd]

I know am certain that you are not the first student to have these feelings. If you are in USA (my only reference point) your advisor would be a good person to see and discuss this. Perhaps referral for some constructive therapy. These challenges and dealing usefully with them are a fundamental part of your education regardless of whether you stay in a technical field. You will be surprised at the good people you will meet who can help.

 

[gleem]

I agree with @hutchphd. You should seek help/advice from someone that can look into your issues a little deeper to determine if there are not any things related to your problem other than dealing with the stress of an unexpected challenge. Becoming indifferent to previously planned goals is a bit worrisome to me.

 

[Choppy]

I might add that it's really not healthy to tie your sense of self-worth to how you are performing in a class. Everyone who really pushes themselves will get to a point where they feel challenged or even overwhelmed and sometimes burned out.

Also, you could be hitting the undergraduate "wall" - something that happens to most students at some point.

All through high school, those students who have an affinity for STEM subjects tend to do quite well in them, often without much effort. That's because they're more-or-less taking classes with the general population. In that pool it's relatively easy to come out on top through natural aptitude.

Then they get to university and go through a bottleneck because people who didn't do well in these subjects in high school tend not to study them in university. As they move from year to year through undergrad, they keep passing through similar bottlenecks. The course material gets more challenging, their peers get sharper, and the instructors more specialized.

That's not to mention the outside factors of students acclimatizing to life on their own and learning to take care of themselves, or "how to adult" properly. Sometimes, when you have a demanding schedule all it takes is a single wrench in the works to throw you off--noisy neighbors, getting sick, landlord raises your rent forcing you to work an extra shift per week at a part-time job, a professor whose teaching style you don't jive with--and all of a sudden you go from on top of things to struggling just to keep your head above water.

There's also a tendency to get buried by material you "have to" learn about, leaving no time for the material you "want to" read about. All of a sudden your passion starts to dwindle. (One secret to getting around this is making time for your own independent reading. It's NOT wasted time.)

 

[Frabjous]

University learning was designed as a social process. I remember sitting down in groups doing homework and being able to ask questions when I came up to something I couldn’t understand. Explaining things to others also increased my understanding. COVID is messing with this. There is also COVID malaise. So you should ask yourself if what you are feeling is COVID lockdown related.

That being said, my sophomore roommate started out as an ME. He is now a professor of philosophy. I can think of others who got an engineering degree and then went to law school. People‘s paths change.

It can be hard to distinguish if you are miserable or if you are doing something hard that is causing you difficulties.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I might add that it's really not healthy to tie your sense of self-worth to how you are performing in a class. Everyone who really pushes themselves will get to a point where they feel challenged or even overwhelmed and sometimes burned out.

Also, you could be hitting the undergraduate "wall" - something that happens to most students at some point.

All through high school, those students who have an affinity for STEM subjects tend to do quite well in them, often without much effort. That's because they're more-or-less taking classes with the general population. In that pool it's relatively easy to come out on top through natural aptitude.

Then they get to university and go through a bottleneck because people who didn't do well in these subjects in high school tend not to study them in university. As they move from year to year through undergrad, they keep passing through similar bottlenecks. The course material gets more challenging, their peers get sharper, and the instructors more specialized.

That's not to mention the outside factors of students acclimatizing to life on their own and learning to take care of themselves, or "how to adult" properly. Sometimes, when you have a demanding schedule all it takes is a single wrench in the works to throw you off--noisy neighbors, getting sick, landlord raises your rent forcing you to work an extra shift per week at a part-time job, a professor whose teaching style you don't jive with--and all of a sudden you go from on top of things to struggling just to keep your head above water.

There's also a tendency to get buried by material you "have to" learn about, leaving no time for the material you "want to" read about. All of a sudden your passion starts to dwindle. (One secret to getting around this is making time for your own independent reading. It's NOT wasted time.)

I actually wasn’t a good student in high school purely because I was so into sports. Only in grade 12 was where I managed to get decent grades to get into university. And I’m a pretty competitive guy so even though i know it’s a pretty bad thing to do but I try to outperform and compete with my peers and try to get better grades, and sometimes seeing someone get just seems naturally smarter and gets better grades with less effort kinda just makes me feel pretty bad. But I do admit it’s a bad thing to compete and compare to others.

 

[Frabjous]

By definition, unless you are the best there is someone better than you. I know people who make me feel stupid and ones that I make feel stupid. It would not surprise me if every person in Physics Forums could name instantly someone who makes him/her feel stupid. It‘s not a useful metric for judging one’s success.

 

[Choppy]

I actually wasn’t a good student in high school purely because I was so into sports. Only in grade 12 was where I managed to get decent grades to get into university. And I’m a pretty competitive guy so even though i know it’s a pretty bad thing to do but I try to outperform and compete with my peers and try to get better grades, and sometimes seeing someone get just seems naturally smarter and gets better grades with less effort kinda just makes me feel pretty bad. But I do admit it’s a bad thing to compete and compare to others.

"The race is long and in the end, it's only with yourself."
- Mary Schmich (as quoted by Baz Lurhman in Everybody's Free (to Wear Sunscreen))

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I just want this semester to be over as soon as possible

 

[Frabjous]

Find someone you trust to talk to about this. The urgent thing is stress management.

 

[DennisN]

"The race is long and in the end, it's only with yourself."

I agree with that. I think it is very true.

And I’m a pretty competitive guy so even though i know it’s a pretty bad thing to do but I try to outperform and compete with my peers and try to get better grades, and sometimes seeing someone get just seems naturally smarter and gets better grades with less effort kinda just makes me feel pretty bad. But I do admit it’s a bad thing to compete and compare to others.

What I am about to say may be easier said than done, since I believe it is quite natural to either consciously and/or subconsciously compare ourselves to others to at least some extents (but if there is too much comparison, it can become a problem). Nevertheless my suggestion would be to try this simple approach:

If you must compare, compare yourself with yourself and not the others. Forget about the others.

A personal sidenote:

When I got into university I only cared about grades for about a year. After that, for various personal reasons, I made a deal with myself that it is better to complete the education than to get as good grades as possible. Which I actually still believe.

 

[Twigg]

Hey pip, we hear you. I believe all of us here in physics/engineering have either been where you're at now or watched others suffer through it. You're not alone, and it does not make you worthless. Give yourself some credit for fighting back to get the point you're at now.
In times like this, your best resource is supportive people: be it your advisor, a therapist (which I strongly recommend), another prof, friends, anyone.
Also bear in mind, that you're tackling hard courses during a pandemic without the social life you'd usually have as a resource in undergrad. Life is just harder now, and that's not a reflection on you.
I'm not trying to push you to stick to STEM. There's a time to stick to your guns, and there's a time to make a strategic retreat. Ask yourself what's most important to you, and make the best decision you can.
We're rooting for you, pip!

 

[vela]

First, don't overreact. it's only one course. I had a friend who was very intelligent and a good student, but the first quarter of physics kicked her butt. She eked out a C, and the experience shook her confidence. But she regained her bearings and graduated with honors with a BS in engineering.

Second, keep everything in perspective. Even if you don't pass this time, it's not the end of the world. Just take it again. You won't be the first student who ever had to retake a course.

Third, give yourself a break. The pandemic has forced many classes online, and online courses aren't for everyone. Plus you probably don't have the social interaction which can greatly help with your learning and which can make a difficult course more bearable. Just because you're struggling doesn't mean you're a failure.

Based on your posts, I think you might be having a hard time because study habits that worked in the past just don't cut it anymore. You're not alone. A lot of students encounter this problem as they realize more is expected of them. You need to try new methods and find what works for you. You do need to make the commitment to really try new strategies.

My friend's experience is instructive. When she realized she was in danger of not passing physics, she didn't passively hope for the best. She took action. She signed up for tutoring, which she had never needed before, and it helped her get through the course. You'll likely feel better if you take steps to deal with your struggles rather than sitting around beating yourself up.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Hey pip, we hear you. I believe all of us here in physics/engineering have either been where you're at now or watched others suffer through it. You're not alone, and it does not make you worthless. Give yourself some credit for fighting back to get the point you're at now.
In times like this, your best resource is supportive people: be it your advisor, a therapist (which I strongly recommend), another prof, friends, anyone.
Also bear in mind, that you're tackling hard courses during a pandemic without the social life you'd usually have as a resource in undergrad. Life is just harder now, and that's not a reflection on you.
I'm not trying to push you to stick to STEM. There's a time to stick to your guns, and there's a time to make a strategic retreat. Ask yourself what's most important to you, and make the best decision you can.
We're rooting for you, pip!

Thank you, I still think stem is the right path for me and I do feel a sense of meaning and of importance to stem. Like a calling to try and contribute if I can. I guess I’m just burnt out from the work from this semester and I felt like I did study way better before since I would study with friends on campus rather than alone in my room.

 

[Zap]

I accepted that I am stupid a long time ago. I'm probably retarded in some way, but that didn't stop me from studying physics.

What would you like to contribute after getting your STEM degree?

 

[DennisN]

And I’m a pretty competitive guy so even though i know it’s a pretty bad thing to do but I try to outperform and compete with my peers and try to get better grades, and sometimes seeing someone get just seems naturally smarter and gets better grades with less effort kinda just makes me feel pretty bad.

@Pipsqueakalchemist:

Hi again, I just came to think about another thing regarding this, which may be worth thinking about.

Unless you monitor your peers 24/7 you can never be quite sure just how much effort others put in.

Some you call "naturally smarter" are maybe struggling more than you think.
And it is my experience that most people struggle with at least some things.
And there may be people that struggle less than than you think they do, too.

In short: you can never really be sure.

Another personal sidenote:

One of my fellow students started struggling during the third year at university. He was a quite good student (at least that was my impression), but he was for some reasons very close to quitting university. I remember it very clearly because he told me about it very honestly, and asked me for advice.

I told him I had had a sort of similar troubles during the second year and did this:

I made a deal with myself that it is better to complete the education than to get as good grades as possible.

I don't quite remember exactly what he did, i.e. if he took a short break or not, but he did not quit university at least.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Honestly really anything would be great. I do like the aerospace industry a lot and would be cool to work with rockets. I also like the idea of working towards cleaner energy.

 

[Stephen Tashi]

But now that I’m taking dynamics which is very physics heavy, I just feel like garbage doing the homework and learning the content.

Is there an associated lab for the dynamics course?

 

[SchroedingersLion]

Passion and motivation are tested when difficulties arise. As interesting and inspiring as STEM might be... It is still freaking hard and difficult. One will face failure and disappointment. It's most likely not that you like STEM any less than before. Its just that before, you never knew how challenging and difficult it would be.

I am going through a similar phase ever since my PhD started. After my MSc, I was somewhat tired and exhausted. In my PhD, I started to doubt my passion for the field. I noticed that I would rather sleep in than go to work, or watch Netflix instead of finishing my code. At first, I took it as a sign that maybe I never was as passionate about my field as I used to think. If I rather watch TV than work, then my work can't possibly be the right thing for me?
But now I just realized that it is much more difficult to stay motivated in a PhD, compared to BSc or Msc. And I am also tired from the last years. But work doesn't care about that. The field and the work is still challenging and difficult, and if you are exhausted, it is easy to feel overwhelmed and question whether you are even right where you are. This has nothing to do with passion. It has anything to do with difficult things requiring hard work, and human beings having only a limited amount of energy to spend. My point is that anything that is remotely challenging or difficult, no matter the passion, will lead to frustration, stress and self doubt sooner or later.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Is there an associated lab for the dynamics course?

No labs, just quizzes,midterm,exam, and 2 projects

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Y

Passion and motivation are tested when difficulties arise. As interesting and inspiring as STEM might be... It is still freaking hard and difficult. One will face failure and disappointment. It's most likely not that you like STEM any less than before. Its just that before, you never knew how challenging and difficult it would be.

I am going through a similar phase ever since my PhD started. After my MSc, I was somewhat tired and exhausted. In my PhD, I started to doubt my passion for the field. I noticed that I would rather sleep in than go to work, or watch Netflix instead of finishing my code. At first, I took it as a sign that maybe I never was as passionate about my field as I used to think. If I rather watch TV than work, then my work can't possibly be the right thing for me?
But now I just realized that it is much more difficult to stay motivated in a PhD, compared to BSc or Msc. And I am also tired from the last years. But work doesn't care about that. The field and the work is still challenging and difficult, and if you are exhausted, it is easy to feel overwhelmed and question whether you are even right where you are. This has nothing to do with passion. It has anything to do with difficult things requiring hard work, and human beings having only a limited amount of energy to spend. My point is that anything that is remotely challenging or difficult, no matter the passion, will lead to frustration, stress and self doubt sooner or later.

Yeah I seen what you mean. This happens to me a lot when I see myself wanting to play video games rather than work, I start to question my passion for the field. But I do know this is something I want to do with my life guess just currently burnt out and stressed.

 

[hutchphd]

By the way, video games (or a hundred other addictions) are often more fun than studying the physics for me.
But occasionally, physics is way more fun than any of them. Also you can teach the fun to others if you know it well. So one day at a time, and don't worry about figuring it all out a priori . I don't know anyone who has said "I wish I didn't know all this useless physics stuff" Of course they would probably not be in my circle!

 

[symbolipoint]

Well math I’m good in the sense that I get good marks and can learn the procedure and replicate it. But I’m bad in the sense of understanding what the hell I’m even doing.

Consider reviewing the courses which you already studied (Mathematics) and find if you learn those better.

 

[symbolipoint]

Honestly right now I don’t really know how I feel about the stem field. I started out very motivated and proud that I was working toward something in stem. but now i feel just apathetic towards my degree. I don’t hate it but I also don’t love it like before. I don’t know if it’s because I’m struggling or maybe burnt out but I’m questioning my interest in the major and at times it makes me feel pretty bad.

... and maybe you are NORMAL and other students in your field and at your level feel the same way.

 

[gmax137]

I got decent marks in physics 1,2, 3 but that was because I studied a lot

Read that aloud every morning three times

 

[Zap]

I don't know anyone who has said "I wish I didn't know all this useless physics stuff" Of course they would probably not be in my circle!

I don't regret learning the math that accompanied my physics degree. I probably apply the math everyday, but I've never once applied or found any use in the actual physics that I learned lol, outside of physics classes. Then again, I never became a physicist, so that's likely why. It was fun at the time, at least in undergrad, to study physics. I would even sometimes feel like I was tripping on some sort of mild high while learning physics, but it just didn't turn out to be very useful for me, after all. And the grad school thing was just a horribly dreadful experience.

Anyway, how old is OP? Did he say? It's very common to go through this kind of thing at some point in college, especially in your younger years. I would recommend getting more involved with your education, getting involved with your classes and interests, becoming a tutor and doing research, talking to professors, and things like that. It's really important to meet the right people that will motivate, inspire and have a positive influence on you. If you don't meet people, or meet the wrong people, you will be demotivated, and your chances of failing will increase.

Having good friends, or at least a peer group of some kind that you can compete with, and who will push you to improve yourself, was important for me to become more motivated. If you have loser friends, you will likely become a loser yourself.

Getting involved will help you to meet more motivated people. When I became a tutor, I started meeting people who got straight As, tutored in 3 or 4 different subjects, and were publishing papers at the same time. I never did all of that, but it did push me. Seeing people work hard makes you want to work hard, too.

I was able to stop bad habits, even quitting cigarettes, by simply hanging out with different people.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I don't regret learning the math that accompanied my physics degree. I probably apply the math everyday, but I've never once applied or found any use in the actual physics that I learned lol, outside of physics classes. Then again, I never became a physicist, so that's likely why. It was fun at the time, at least in undergrad, to study physics. I would even sometimes feel like I was tripping on some sort of mild high while learning physics, but it just didn't turn out to be very useful for me, after all. And the grad school thing was just a horribly dreadful experience.

Anyway, how old is OP? Did he say? It's very common to go through this kind of thing at some point in college, especially in your younger years. I would recommend getting more involved with your education, getting involved with your classes and interests, becoming a tutor and doing research, talking to professors, and things like that. It's really important to meet the right people that will motivate, inspire and have a positive influence on you. If you don't meet people, or meet the wrong people, you will be demotivated, and your chances of failing will increase.

Having good friends, or at least a peer group of some kind that you can compete with, and who will push you to improve yourself, was important for me to become more motivated. If you have loser friends, you will likely become a loser yourself.

Getting involved will help you to meet more motivated people. When I became a tutor, I started meeting people who got straight As, tutored in 3 or 4 different subjects, and were publishing papers at the same time. I never did all of that, but it did push me. Seeing people work hard makes you want to work hard, too.

I was able to stop bad habits, even quitting cigarettes, by simply hanging out with different people.

I’m 20 years old

 

[Zap]

I dropped out of college at 20 years old LOL. Don't make my mistake. I ended up going back a few years later and eventually graduated, but I basically wasted a few years of my life and I'm a few years behind all of my peers. Not the best feeling in the world, but it could be a lot worse! Physics and mechanical engineering are probably of the most versatile degrees you can get, so just getting the degree will be of some kind of benefit in some way, even if you decide you don't want to be a scientist anymore.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Yea I’m sure I’ll stick to stem because it’s the only field I’m really interested in. Also I have a question about grad school. Is it true that they care more about 3rd and 4th year grades then the first two years. Because mg first year was good but my 2nd year has been rough so I’m kinda worried about my chances of get into grad school.

 

[onatirec]

Yes, my impression is that the later, more recent years are weighted a bit more heavily. But there are a lot of factors in grad school acceptance, many which might be unique to the school (see also accelerated undergrad/grad programs, etc).

I've had a few classes that I really struggled with. What helped me through them was working many many problems until the process/assumptions felt very natural. I'd find sets of problems and solution guides, and work them out one at a time all the way through. Then follow the solution guide until I found an error in my work and once again try to work through the problem on my own again. Rinse and repeat. Don't just read solution manuals. Don't just read the book derivations. Practice the entire solution process on your own.

Dynamics is one of those classes where there's no substitute for practice.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

I give up on dynamics to be honest and I’m just going to not worry about it. I’ll just take a 50 in the class and just focus on more other course. That class is way too hard and time consuming and I just can’t be bothered with it anymore.

 

[Zap]

You can't drop the class?

Even if it's past the drop date, you still might be able to drop it if you talk with the department head, or someone with authority at your school. Often times, you can do whatever you want, if you can get someone in power to sign off on it. But, if you go below full time, you may not be eligible for financial aid during the next semester.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

You can't drop the class?

Even if it's past the drop date, you still might be able to drop it if you talk with the department head, or someone someone with authority at your school. Often times, you can do whatever you want, if you can get someone in power to sign off on it.

I’m not sure if it’s too late to drop, but I don’t want to take longer in my degree. I already failed a important class last semester. I’m sure I’ll pass just not with the best mark. I know I need to change my self pity mindset over the break and hopefully things will workout better.

 

[Zap]

Well, you said you were going to take a 50, which would not be passing.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Wdym? A 50 is a pass, I’m from Canada.

 

[symbolipoint]

Wdym? A 50 is a pass, I’m from Canada.

Is that 50, for 50% score overall in the course? Not passing no matter where you are. If this is an important class or one you need for your degree, you need to repeat it. Next time through, you should do better in the course.

 

[Pipsqueakalchemist]

Ummmm a 50 has always been a pass where I grew up. An overall gpa of 60 is out of probation but an 50 in a course is a pass.

 

[Eclair_de_XII]

60 is out of probation

50 in a course is a pass

Those numbers do not seem to line up. You pass with a fifty-percent, but if you do pass, then you're still on academic probation?