Pi meson with velocity v decays into two photons

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the decay of a ∏° meson moving with a velocity v into two photons, one traveling in the z direction and the other in the opposite direction. The problem includes calculating the speed of the meson given a specific energy relationship between the photons and determining their energies at a specified speed of the meson.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Doppler shift equation and conservation of momentum in the context of the problem. There are attempts to relate the energies of the photons and the meson's speed, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correct formulas and methods to use.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the energies of the photons and the speed of the meson. Some participants have provided guidance on using 4-momenta and the conservation of energy, while others are questioning the application of the Doppler shift formula and its relevance to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the correct application of relativistic formulas and the assumptions underlying the problem setup. There is also mention of formatting issues from a first-time user, which may affect clarity in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A ∏° meson moving with a velocity v in the z direction decays into two photons. One of the photons travels in the z direction and the other travels in the minus z direction.

a) If one photon has an energy that is nine times greater than the other photon, calculate the speed of the ∏° meson.

b)If the speed of the ∏° meson is c/2 determine the energies of the two photons.

First time user here, so sorry in advance for formatting problems!

Homework Equations


E'=E*sqrt(1+β/1-β)

Conservation of momentum:
P∏°=P1+P2
Where P1 and P2 are the momentum of the photons.

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure if this is along the right tracks, but I did:
E'=9*E=E*sqrt(1+β/1-β)
β=0.976
v=0.976*c
For part b I am not even sure where to start...
 
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jfbych said:

Homework Statement


A ∏° meson moving with a velocity v in the z direction decays into two photons. One of the photons travels in the z direction and the other travels in the minus z direction.

a) If one photon has an energy that is nine times greater than the other photon, calculate the speed of the ∏° meson.

b)If the speed of the ∏° meson is c/2 determine the energies of the two photons.

First time user here, so sorry in advance for formatting problems!

Homework Equations


E'=E*sqrt(1+β/1-β)

Conservation of momentum:
P∏°=P1+P2
Where P1 and P2 are the momentum of the photons.

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure if this is along the right tracks, but I did:
E'=9*E=E*sqrt(1+β/1-β)
β=0.976
v=0.976*c
For part b I am not even sure where to start...
For part b, you can just work your way back. You start with v=0.5 c, what is E'/E?
What do you know about the total energy of the photons?

Where does the formula for (a) come from? I get a different result with relativistic momenta.
 
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So we find E'/E=sqrt(3), and we know that the energy of the two photons have to add up to the energy of the ∏° meson. I am still confused on where to go from there. For part (a) I tried to solve for the velocity of the ∏° meson by using the 9:1 photon energy relationship using the doppler shift equation.
 
jfbych said:
So we find E'/E=sqrt(3),
Again, I think you use a wrong formula, or the correct formula in a wrong way.

and we know that the energy of the two photons have to add up to the energy of the ∏° meson.
Right

I am still confused on where to go from there. For part (a) I tried to solve for the velocity of the ∏° meson by using the 9:1 photon energy relationship using the doppler shift equation.
Doppler shift is a relation of the frequency of photons in different reference frames, but that is a complicated way to solve it (as both photons are doppler-shifted).

If you know 4-momenta: They are the easiest way to solve the problem.
 
jfbych said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure if this is along the right tracks, but I did:
E'=9*E=E*sqrt(1+β/1-β)
β=0.976
v=0.976*c
For part b I am not even sure where to start...
This isn't correct. The Doppler shift formula relates the energy E of a photon in one frame with its energy E' in a frame moving with velocity β. You're trying to use it to compare the energies of two different photons.

You can use the formula to solve this problem, but you have to apply it correctly.
 

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