Picturing Galaxies: How We Capture Outer Space

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The discussion revolves around the methods and technologies used to capture images of galaxies, including the capabilities of both ground-based and space-based telescopes. Participants explore the challenges posed by atmospheric conditions and the advantages of different types of telescopes in imaging distant galaxies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention the Hubble Space Telescope as a key instrument for capturing images of galaxies.
  • There is a debate about the effectiveness of ground-based telescopes compared to space-based ones, with some arguing that Earth-based telescopes can achieve precise imaging of distant galaxies despite atmospheric challenges.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of ground-based telescopes, particularly in capturing very distant objects that may be red-shifted.
  • Adaptive optics are noted as a technology that enhances the imaging capabilities of ground-based telescopes.
  • Concerns are raised about the time required for imaging faint galaxies, with references to the extensive exposure times needed for projects like the Hubble Ultra Deep Field.
  • Some participants highlight the flexibility of ground-based telescopes in terms of upgrades and modifications compared to space telescopes.
  • There is a mention of the upcoming James Webb Space Telescope and its potential advantages in infrared imaging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities of ground-based versus space-based telescopes, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the impact of atmospheric conditions on imaging and the limitations of telescope size and exposure time, but these aspects remain complex and not fully resolved in the discussion.

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How was we able to take the pictures of galaxies?
 
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The Hubble?
 
You can see galaxies with telescopes on Earth, what do you mean?
 
You can even see adromeda with the naked eye, you should google the question you asked before putting it on this site
 
Frinkz said:
You can see galaxies with telescopes on Earth, what do you mean?

Kinda, I mean, with all that atmosphere and whatnot it's definitely harder. The good pictures of stuff far away probably come from satellites.
 
James Leighe said:
Kinda, I mean, with all that atmosphere and whatnot it's definitely harder. The good pictures of stuff far away probably come from satellites.
Wrong. There are plenty of land-based telescopes that image distant galaxies quite precisely. While it is true that space-based telescopes don't suffer from atmospheric extinction and can gather light of wavelengths that are absorbed by the atmosphere, they are necessarily MUCH smaller than the 'scopes that we can operate on Earth, and their targeting requirements, approved observation-time, etc restrict how much stuff we can image. In contrast, Earth-based telescopes can be used for dedicated survey work. Schmidt telescopes have done all-sky surveys in the Northern and Southern hemispheres for for decades.
 
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Can't argue with the truth.

But I guess you CAN'T get the REALLY far away stuff because it's too red-shifted :P
(Does the smallness of the telescope hurt it's ability to resolve the red-shifted wavelengths well?)

Does the same phenomenon that causes 'twinkling' stars effect land based telescopes at all?
 
James Leighe said:
Can't argue with the truth.

But I guess you CAN'T get the REALLY far away stuff because it's too red-shifted :P

Does the same phenomenon that causes 'twinkling' stars effect land based telescopes at all?
Well, we should be able to dig deeper with the upcoming Webb telescope. It will feature much deeper IR penetration than Hubble. Still, ground-based telescopes will do much of the heavy lifting. We can't launch something equivalent to Keck, LBT, etc, so the eyes on the ground will have the major role. Orbiting instruments have some obvious advantages, but aperture and angular resolution are the domain of ground-based instruments. Adaptive optics are helping operators of ground-based 'scopes get crisper images, and that technology is still improving.

And no, space-based telescopes don't have problems with "twinkling", because that is an effect of atmospheric refraction.
 
An advantage of ground based telescopes: adding, upgrading, or just fiddling with optics, filters, instruments, etc. No need for a space walk or launching another 'scope.

The far away stuff is just too dim to image without days of exposure. The Hubble Ultra Deep Fields http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Ultra_Deep_Field required over eleven days of imaging.

It would be nice to have a few 1000 meter diameter telescopes in space.
 
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Obviously it is not our galaxy. Pictures of other galaxies are old news.
 
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