Plane that is tangent to two curves at an intersection

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The discussion revolves around constructing a plane that is tangent to two curves at their intersection point. Participants explore the mathematical approach to find the intersection and the necessary components to define the tangent plane, including the identification of tangent vectors and the normal vector.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in constructing a tangent plane to two curves defined parametrically.
  • Another participant suggests that to find the equation of the plane, a point on the plane and a normal vector are needed, and proposes finding a point by setting the y-component equal for both curves.
  • There is a reiteration of the need for a normal vector that is orthogonal to both curves at the intersection point, but uncertainty remains about how to calculate this vector.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of finding the tangent vectors of both curves at the intersection point to compute the normal vector using the cross product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of finding the intersection point and the need for tangent vectors, but there is uncertainty regarding the calculation of the normal vector and the specifics of the cross product approach.

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Participants have not yet resolved the specific steps to find the normal vector or confirmed the intersection point's coordinates, leaving some assumptions and calculations unaddressed.

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Can someone please help me with how to approach/solve this question? construct a plane that is tangent to both curves at the point of intersection.

1st curve:
x(v)=3
y(v)=4
z(v)=v
0<v<2

2nd curve:
x(u)=3+sin(u)
y(u)=4−u
z(u)=1−u
−1<u<1

My first approach was to find a point of intersection then form the equation of the plane but i am unsure how to make the plane tangent to both curves.
 
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Hi brunette15,

To find the equation of a plane, it suffices to find a point on the plane and a normal to that plane, that is, $a(x-x_0)+b(y-y_0)+c(z-z_0)=0$. As you have surmised, we can find a point on the plane simply by noticing that $4=4-u$ (y-component), so $u=0$. Putting $u$ into one of the equations will give us $(x_0,y_0,z_0)$.

The normal vector is a vector that is orthogonal to both curves at that point. How can we find that?
 
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Rido12 said:
Hi brunette15,

To find the equation of a plane, it suffices to find a point on the plane and a normal to that plane, that is, $a(x-x_0)+b(y-y_0)+c(z-z_0)=0$. As you have surmised, we can find a point on the plane simply by noticing that $4=4-u$ (y-component), so $u=0$. Putting $u$ into one of the equations will give us $(x_0,y_0,z_0)$.

The normal vector is a vector that is orthogonal to both curves at that point. How can we find that?

I am still a bit confused as to how to find the normal vector. I am trying to use the cross product but i don't know which other point to use :/
 
brunette15 said:
I am still a bit confused as to how to find the normal vector. I am trying to use the cross product but i don't know which other point to use :/

Hi brunette15, (Wave)

Did you find the $u$ and $v$ for which the curves intersect? (Wondering)
As Rido already remarked, it is at $u=0$.

The tangent vector of a curve (x(v), y(v), z(v)) is given by (x'(v), y'(v), z'(v)).
Can you find the tangent vectors of both curves at the intersection point? (Wondering)

The normal vector is the cross product of those 2 vectors.
 

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