Plank curves and emission/absorbtion spectra

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The discussion revolves around the nature of Planck curves, emission and absorption spectra, and the characteristics of black bodies, particularly in relation to the Sun. Participants explore the implications of the Sun's approximation to a black body and the resulting spectral features.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that a good black body would produce a Planck curve, which they believe represents continuous emission spectra.
  • Another participant explains that emission and absorption lines result from atoms and molecules in the Sun's outer atmosphere absorbing or emitting light at specific wavelengths.
  • A different participant notes that while the Sun approximates a black body, it is not perfect, leading to absorption lines due to cooler outer layers.
  • One participant questions whether the emission spectrum arises solely from the cooler outer layers and if any body could produce a continuous spectrum.
  • Another participant suggests that while a perfect black body is impossible, some bodies can closely approximate it, such as the cosmic microwave background.
  • A later reply mentions that a black hole might be a perfect black body, but its low temperature makes detection of Hawking radiation challenging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of the Sun's spectral characteristics and the nature of black bodies. There is no consensus on whether any body can produce a continuous spectrum, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which emission and absorption lines appear.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of black bodies and the conditions of the surrounding layers affecting spectral analysis. The discussion acknowledges the limitations in detecting certain phenomena, such as Hawking radiation from black holes.

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i understand that a good black body would produce a plank curve.
it is my understanding that plank curves are continuous emmision spectra..
now the sun a good approximation to a black body... but we get and emission/absorption spectra..
can you please help me understand where i am going wrong..cheers
 
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The emission and absorption lines are due to atoms and molecules in the outer atmosphere of the Sun absorbing or emitting light at specific wavelengths. The outer areas of the Sun are cool enough to allow atoms and molecules to form.
 
So the Sun is not a perfect blackbody. To the extent that it approximates a good blackbody, we get a continuous Planck spectrum, but when we include the details of lines that form in cooler overlying layers, we get absorption lines. This is handy-- the closeness to a blackbody means we will have a useful concept of temperature, and those deviations made by the spectral lines will give us additional information about the surface layers (especially the strength of the gravity) that we would have no other way to infer.
 
interesting point about the gravity analysis..
i think i am digging a hole for myself here..
am i to understand that the emission spectrum only arises due to the 'cooler' outer layers because the sun is not a perfect black body?
so does this mean that no body would produce a continuous spectrum?
so would there be emission/absorption lines in ALL spectral analysis?
 
goldsax said:
am i to understand that the emission spectrum only arises due to the 'cooler' outer layers because the sun is not a perfect black body?
Yes, though I would have said that about the absorption spectrum, just to be clear which aspects of the spectrum we are worrying about.
so does this mean that no body would produce a continuous spectrum?
To the extent that a perfect blackbody is impossible, yes, though sometimes we are remarkably close (a good example is the cosmic microwave background).
so would there be emission/absorption lines in ALL spectral analysis?
In principle, yes, though in practice we might not be able to tell above the noise (as with the cosmic microwave background).
 
goldsax said:
so does this mean that no body would produce a continuous spectrum?
A black hole might be a perfect black body - but for usual sizes of them, their temperature is so low that it is impossible to detect their Hawking radiation.
 

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