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The discussion centers around the convergence of the series $ \sum_{n} \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) $. Participants explore various approaches to determine whether the series diverges or converges, including the use of logarithmic properties, telescoping series, and comparisons to known divergent series.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that $ \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) = -\ln\left({n}\right) $ leads to the conclusion that the series diverges since the limit does not approach zero.
  • Another participant corrects the initial claim about logarithmic properties, emphasizing the need for careful manipulation of logarithms.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty and seeks hints, suggesting that they expect divergence based on the behavior of $1/n$.
  • It is proposed that the series can be viewed as a telescoping series, with the unresolved term being $ \log(n + 1) $, leading to divergence.
  • A participant inquires about reliable methods to identify telescoping series without explicitly writing out terms.
  • Discussion includes the approximation $ \ln(1+\frac{1}{n}) \approx \frac{1}{n} $ and references the Maclaurin series for further clarification.
  • Another participant reiterates the telescopic nature of the series and presents a reformulation of the logarithmic terms.
  • One participant suggests that the increasing nature of $ \ln(n+1) - \ln(n) $ indicates divergence.
  • Another participant prompts for the derivative of the logarithmic difference, leading to a discussion about the implications of the derivative being negative.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous reasoning about the behavior of the derivative and reflects on the conditions for convergence.
  • Finally, a participant notes that showing a series is decreasing is necessary but not sufficient for convergence, acknowledging the divergence of the series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the convergence of the series, with some asserting divergence based on different reasoning. There is no consensus reached, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference properties of logarithms, series approximations, and the behavior of functions without resolving all assumptions or mathematical steps involved in their arguments.

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$ \sum_{n} \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) $

$ \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) = \ln\left({1}\right) + \ln\left({\frac{1}{n}}\right) = 0 +\ln\left({{n}^{-1}}\right) = -\ln\left({n}\right)$

Now $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}} -\ln\left({n}\right) \ne 0$, therefore the series diverges.

(Also can you suggest an alternate approach?)
 
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Hey ognik,

Need to be a bit more careful: $\ln\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)\neq \ln(1)+\ln\left(\frac{1}{n}\right)$
 
Oops, blush...

probably because everything else I've tried didn't go anywhere, a hint please? I expect it to diverge because 1/n diverges, so ln 1/n will also diverge, albeit slower ...
 
If you try and calculate the sum, you'll find it's a telescoping series with log(n+1) as the "unresolved" term. The sum is therefore equivalent to log(n + 1) in the limit, so it diverges.
 
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Thanks - is there an easy/reliable way to tell if a series is telescoping? (other than writing out the terms and seeing what is left...)

The book reckons $ln (1+\frac{1}{n}) \approx \frac{1}{n}$ - but I don't know why this is, could someone please walk me through it?
 
ognik said:
...The book reckons $ln (1+\frac{1}{n}) \approx \frac{1}{n}$ - but I don't know why this is, could someone please walk me through it?

Look at first term of the Maclaurin series:

$$\ln(1+x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{k+1}\frac{x^{k}}{k}$$ where $|x|<1$.
 
ognik said:
$ \sum_{n} \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) $

$ \ln\left({1+\frac{1}{n}}\right) = \ln\left({1}\right) + \ln\left({\frac{1}{n}}\right) = 0 +\ln\left({{n}^{-1}}\right) = -\ln\left({n}\right)$

Now $\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}} -\ln\left({n}\right) \ne 0$, therefore the series diverges.

(Also can you suggest an alternate approach?)

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \ln{ \left( 1 + \frac{1}{n} \right) } = \ln{ \left( \frac{n + 1}{n} \right) } = \ln{ \left( n + 1 \right) } - \ln{ \left( n \right) } \end{align*}$

The telescopic nature of this series should now be obvious.
 
All clear thanks.

Could one also argue that ln(n+1) - ln(n) is clearly increasing (because of the shape of ln(n)) and therefore it diverges?
 
Differentiate log(n + 1) - log(n) w.r.t. n. What do you find?
 
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Thanks. Do you mean that the slope is > 0, therefore the function diverges?
 
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Did you calculate the derivative of log(n + 1) - log(n) w.r.t. n?
 
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I got $\frac{-1}{n(n+1)}$ which is always decreasing because n > 0

Oh I see now, typo, > should have been < in my prev. post, apologies.

However, my understanding is that showing a series is decreasing is not enough to decide if it converges to a finite value? (and I already know this series diverges)
 
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Right; I believe that's what they call "necessary but not sufficient".
 

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