Poisson process: compute E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)]

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the expected value E[N(3) | N(2), N(1)] in the context of a Poisson process with a rate of 1. Participants explore the implications of conditioning on multiple points in time and the application of the Markov property.

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  • One participant outlines the calculation for E[N(3) | N(2)] and expresses uncertainty about incorporating N(1) into the expectation.
  • Another participant suggests applying the Markov property to simplify the computation.
  • A participant questions the meaning of the Markov property and its application in this context, wondering if it implies that E[N(3) | N(2), N(1)] equals E[N(3)].
  • Further clarification is sought regarding whether a Poisson process qualifies as a Markov process and the reasoning behind it.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article to explain the Markov property, emphasizing that it indicates the future state depends only on the present state, not on past history.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Markov property for the expectation E[N(3) | N(2), N(1)], with some suggesting it leads to simplifications while others seek further clarification on its application.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of Poisson processes and the conditions under which the Markov property applies. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of conditioning on multiple time points.

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Readers interested in stochastic processes, particularly those studying Poisson processes and Markov properties, may find this discussion relevant.

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note: N(t) is the number of points in [0,t] and N(t1,t2] is the number of points in (t1,t2].

Let {N(t): t≥0} be a Poisson process of rate 1.
Evaluate E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)].

If the question were E[N(3) |N(2)], then I have some idea...
E[N(3) |N(2)]
=E[N(2)+N(2,3] |N(2)]
=E[N(2)|N(2)] + E{N(2,3] |N(2)}
=N(2)+ E{N(2,3]} (independent increments)
=N(2) + 1
since N(2,3] ~ Poisson(1(3-2)) =Poisson(1)

But for E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)], how can I deal with the extra N(1)?

Thanks for any help! :)
 
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kingwinner said:
But for E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)], how can I deal with the extra N(1)?

Apply the Markov property
 
bpet said:
Apply the Markov property
hmm...what is Markov property? How do we use it here?
Does it mean that E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)] = E[N(3)]?

Also, is Poisson process considered as a Markov process? Why or why not?

Can someone please explain more?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
kingwinner said:
Can someone please explain more?

The wikipedia article is a good place to start.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-time_Markov_process
"Markov property states that at any times s > t > 0, the conditional probability distribution of the process at time s given the whole history of the process up to and including time t, depends only on the state of the process at time t."

So according to this, it does not depend on ANY of its past history, and therefore E[N(3) |N(2),N(1)] = E[N(3)]?
 

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