MHB Polynomial Challenge: Show $f(5y^2)=P(y)Q(y)$

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The polynomial challenge involves demonstrating that the polynomial function $f(x)=x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1$ can be expressed as the product of two polynomials $P(y)$ and $Q(y)$ with positive degrees and integer coefficients when evaluated at $5y^2$. The task requires a clear understanding of polynomial factorization and the properties of integer coefficients. Participants in the discussion, including MarkFL, contributed insights into the factorization process, confirming the existence of such polynomials.

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Given that $f(x)=x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1$. Show that there exist polynomials $P(y)$ and $Q(y)$ of positive degrees, with integer coefficients, such that $f(5y^2)=P(y)\cdot Q(y)$ for all $y$.
 
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My solution:

We find that:

$$f\left(5y^2\right)=625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1$$

Let us assume then that this can be factored into two quartics as follows:

$$625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1=\left(25y^4+ay^3+by^2+cy+1\right)\left(25y^4-ay^3+by^2-cy+1\right)$$

Let us further assume that all of $a,b,c$ are positive.

Expansion of the right side yields:

$$625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1=625y^8+\left(50b-a^2\right)y^6+\left(b^2-2ac+50\right)y^4+\left(2b-c^2\right)y^2+1$$

Equating coefficients gives the non-linear system:

$$50b-a^2=125$$

$$2ac-b^2=25$$

$$2b-c^2=5$$

The first and third give:

$$2b=5+\left(\frac{a}{5}\right)^2=5+c^2\implies a=5c$$

Substituting into the second equation, we obtain:

$$10c^2-b^2=25$$

Multiplying the 3rd equation by 10, we find:

$$20b-10c^2=50$$

Adding the last two results, we eliminate $c$ to obtain:

$$-b^2+20b=75$$

$$b^2-20b+75=0$$

$$(b-5)(b-15)=0$$

We then find that only the root $b=15$ allows $a$ and $c$ to be integers:

$$a=25,\,c=5$$

Hence:

$$f\left(5y^2\right)=\left(25y^4+25y^3+15y^2+5y+1\right)\left(25y^4-25y^3+15y^2-5y+1\right)$$
 
MarkFL said:
My solution:

We find that:

$$f\left(5y^2\right)=625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1$$

Let us assume then that this can be factored into two quartics as follows:

$$625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1=\left(25y^4+ay^3+by^2+cy+1\right)\left(25y^4-ay^3+by^2-cy+1\right)$$

Let us further assume that all of $a,b,c$ are positive.

Expansion of the right side yields:

$$625y^8+125y^6+25y^4+5y^2+1=625y^8+\left(50b-a^2\right)y^6+\left(b^2-2ac+50\right)y^4+\left(2b-c^2\right)y^2+1$$

Equating coefficients gives the non-linear system:

$$50b-a^2=125$$

$$2ac-b^2=25$$

$$2b-c^2=5$$

The first and third give:

$$2b=5+\left(\frac{a}{5}\right)^2=5+c^2\implies a=5c$$

Substituting into the second equation, we obtain:

$$10c^2-b^2=25$$

Multiplying the 3rd equation by 10, we find:

$$20b-10c^2=50$$

Adding the last two results, we eliminate $c$ to obtain:

$$-b^2+20b=75$$

$$b^2-20b+75=0$$

$$(b-5)(b-15)=0$$

We then find that only the root $b=15$ allows $a$ and $c$ to be integers:

$$a=25,\,c=5$$

Hence:

$$f\left(5y^2\right)=\left(25y^4+25y^3+15y^2+5y+1\right)\left(25y^4-25y^3+15y^2-5y+1\right)$$

Good job, MarkFL! And thanks for participating!:)
 

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