Polynomial including Sigma Notation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the polynomial defined as $p(x) = 1 + \sum_{k=1}^{13}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^2}x^k$. Participants are exploring how to demonstrate the existence of at least one positive real root, the absence of negative real roots, and establishing a bound on the magnitude of any roots, specifically that $|z| < 170$.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest substituting nonnegative values of $x$ into $p(x)$ to check for sign changes, which could indicate the presence of a positive root.
  • Others propose checking for turning points to determine the absence of negative real roots.
  • A participant notes that $p(0) = 1 > 0$ and that the leading term is negative, implying that $p(x)$ must cross the x-axis for large positive $x$.
  • There is a suggestion to show that for $|x| \geq 170$, the leading term dominates the polynomial, leading to the conclusion that $|p(x)| > 0$ in that range.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the hint provided is not an explanation but rather a starting point for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods to show the existence of a positive root and the absence of negative roots, but the discussion on the bound of $|z| < 170$ remains less clear, with multiple approaches suggested and no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of the polynomial at extreme values of $x$ are implied but not explicitly stated. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the bound on the roots.

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Hello everyone!

I have this polynomial: $p(x) =$ $$1 + \sum_{k=1}^{13}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^2}x^k$$

- I'm supposed to show that this polynomial must have at least one positive real root.

- I'm supposed to show that this polynomial has no negative real roots.

- And I'm supposed to show that if $z$ is any root of this polynomial, then $|z| < 170$

I do not know how to start this question, so any guidance on these three steps would be appreciated. :)
 
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PurpleDude said:
Hello everyone!

I have this polynomial: $p(x) =$ $$1 + \sum_{k=1}^{13}\frac{(-1)^k}{k^2}x^k$$

- I'm supposed to show that this polynomial must have at least one positive real root.

Substitute nonnegative values of x into p and see if the sign of p changes.

- I'm supposed to show that this polynomial has no negative real roots.

Check to see if there are any turning points to the left of the root you found in the first part.
 
An easier way to show $p$ has a positive root:

Note that $p(0) = 1 > 0$ and that the leading term is $\dfrac{-1}{169} < 0$.

As $x \to +\infty$ we have $p(x) \to -\infty$, so $p$ must cross the $x$-axis somewhere to the right of 0, by continuity.

The bound of 170 is very crude, here is a hint on how to proceed:

Show that if $|x| \geq 170$ that:

$\left|\dfrac{x^{13}}{169}\right| > |x^{12}|$

and that:

$\left|\dfrac{x^k}{k^2}\right| < \left|\dfrac{x^{12}}{13}\right|$

for each $k = 1,2,\dots,12$ (I've left one term out...why?).

Use this to prove that for such $x$, we have $|p(x)| > 0$.
 
Deveno said:
An easier way to show $p$ has a positive root:

Note that $p(0) = 1 > 0$ and that the leading term is $\dfrac{-1}{169} < 0$.

As $x \to +\infty$ we have $p(x) \to -\infty$, so $p$ must cross the $x$-axis somewhere to the right of 0, by continuity.

The bound of 170 is very crude, here is a hint on how to proceed:

Show that if $|x| \geq 170$ that:

$\left|\dfrac{x^{13}}{169}\right| > |x^{12}|$

and that:

$\left|\dfrac{x^k}{k^2}\right| < \left|\dfrac{x^{12}}{13}\right|$

for each $k = 1,2,\dots,12$ (I've left one term out...why?).

Use this to prove that for such $x$, we have $|p(x)| > 0$.

The parts where I was to prove the positive or negative roots made a lot of sense thank you, but can you re-explain showing that if z is any root of p(x), then |z| < 170
 
I haven't "explained", I've given a HINT. The idea is you're supposed to do something WITH that hint.

The basic idea is to show that for $|x| \geq 170$, that the leading term "dominates", that it's so large that it is larger than the sum of absolute values of all the other terms, and thus larger than the absolute value of the rest of the polynomial.

So if:

$\left|\dfrac{x^{13}}{169}\right| > |x^{12}| = 13\left|\dfrac{x^{12}}{13}\right|$

$\displaystyle > \sum_{k = 1}^{12} \left|\frac{(-1)^k}{k^2}x^k\right| + |1|$

$\displaystyle \geq \left|\sum_{k=1}^{12} \frac{(-1)^k}{k^2} + 1\right|$

then $|p(x)| > 0$

(this is because if:

$|a| > |b|$ then $|a + b| > 0$).

So left of -170 we are always above the x-axis, and right of 170 we are always below the x-axis.
 

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