Polynomial system of 6 variables

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a polynomial system involving six variables: A, B, C, a, b, and c. Participants explore the feasibility of expressing these variables in terms of known quantities U, V, W, u, v, and w, examining the relationships and dependencies among them.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the system can be solved due to the presence of only one equation involving U, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the variables involved.
  • Another participant asserts that there are actually 12 variables, implying that the system cannot be solved uniquely, though it may still be solvable in some form.
  • A later reply proposes that if U, V, W, u, v, and w are known, it might be possible to express A, B, and C in terms of a, b, and c, as the last three equations are linear in A, B, and C.
  • One participant provides a matrix representation of the relationships, indicating a method to approach the problem but expresses uncertainty with an emoticon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the system can be solved. There are competing views regarding the number of variables and the uniqueness of the solution, with some suggesting it may be solvable under certain conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the system and the potential for misunderstanding the relationships between the variables. The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions and dependencies of the variables involved.

Bruno Tolentino
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U = A a²
V = 2 A a b
W = A b²
u = 2 A a c + B a
v = 2 A b c + B b
w = A c² + B c + C

I'd like to solve this system for A, B, C, a, b, c. Is it possible!?
 
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If you want those terms, in terms of all the other terms, then i don't think you can, if in terms of U,V,W,u,v,w included then ofcourse, it would be simple,
the basic problem is you have only one equation with U in it, or were you trying to say ##U##instead of ##u##?
 
Unless I'm mistaken, there are 12 variables and not 6 which means the system cannot be solved.
 
DDH said:
Unless I'm mistaken, there are 12 variables and not 6 which means the system cannot be solved.
The system cannot be solved uniquely, which is different from saying that it can't be solved.
 
I stand corrected.
 
Bruno Tolentino said:
U = A a²
V = 2 A a b
W = A b²
u = 2 A a c + B a
v = 2 A b c + B b
w = A c² + B c + C

I'd like to solve this system for A, B, C, a, b, c. Is it possible!?
Assuming U,V,W,u,v,w are known, it might be possible. As a first step, the last three equations in A,B,C are linear, so you can get A,B,C, in terms of u,v,w,a,b,c. Substitute the expression for A into the first three equations. You now have polynomial expressions for a,b,c - good luck!
 
Yeah! (U, V, W, u, v, w) are known. I want to write (A, B, C, a, b, c) in terms of (U, V, W, u, v, w).
...[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> u\\ <br /> v\\ <br /> w\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2ac & a & 0\\ <br /> 2bc & b & 0\\ <br /> 1cc & c & 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> A\\ <br /> B\\ <br /> C\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex]
===> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inverse+of+{{2+a+c,+a,+0},+{2+b+c,+b,+0},+{c^2,+c,+1}}

Oooooops... :frown:
 

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