Polynomials/ galois field question

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The discussion revolves around the properties of irreducible polynomials over Galois fields, specifically GF(2). Participants explore the implications of a polynomial's roots and the conditions under which it can be considered irreducible, as well as the appropriate categorization of the topic within the forum.

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  • One participant describes an irreducible polynomial f(x) over GF(2) and its roots, questioning how the polynomial's irreducibility is proven through substitution of its roots into potential factors a(x) and b(x).
  • Another participant suggests that since substituting a root into f(x) leads to either a(x) or b(x) equating to f(x), it implies that f(x) cannot be factored into polynomials of lower degree, thus supporting its irreducibility.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the initial assertion of f(x) being irreducible and questions the context of the proof, particularly whether it applies to a different field.
  • One participant acknowledges their confusion and indicates they found clarity in their own reasoning regarding the proof of irreducibility.
  • There is a request for the thread to be moved to a more appropriate forum category, indicating a concern about the relevance of the current forum designation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof of irreducibility, with some confusion about the context and categorization of the discussion. No consensus is reached on the clarity of the proof or the appropriate forum for the topic.

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There are indications of missing clarity regarding the definitions and conditions under which the polynomial is considered irreducible, as well as the implications of the proof across different fields.

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[SOLVED] polynomials/ galois field question

Im reading through a section that deals with polynomials Galois fields and ran into something that I am not quite understanding.

Say we have an irreducible polynomial, f(x), which has coefficients from GF(2) and roots
[tex]\beta[/tex], [tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex], [tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{4}[/tex], [tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{8}[/tex], ...[tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex][tex]^{e}[/tex][tex]-1[/tex] where e is the smallest integer such that [tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex][tex]^{e}[/tex] = [tex]\beta[/tex]

given by

f(x) = [tex]\prod[/tex][tex]^{e-1}_{i=0}[/tex] ( X + [tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{2^i}[/tex])

Note: Beta term is Beta^(2^i)

In the section I am reading, they do a test to prove f(x) is irreducible. I will state the test below

Say f(x) = a(x).b(x) where a(x) and b(x) are polynomials with coefficients from GF(2)

if we sub one of the roots of f(x) in, say [tex]\beta[/tex], f([tex]\beta[/tex]) = 0 which means that either a([tex]\beta[/tex]) = 0 or b([tex]\beta[/tex]) = 0, hence a(x) = f(x) or b(x) = f(x). This understanding also says that a(x) or b(x) (depending which one had [tex]\beta[/tex] subbed into it) has all the roots of f(x) (A theory in my textbook says that if f([tex]\beta[/tex]) = 0, f([tex]\beta[/tex][tex]^{2^i}[/tex])=0 for any i)

I get how they arrive at their result, however I am still clueless as to how this proves that
f(x) is irreducible.

insight is appreciated

regards
James
 
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Ok I read over the notes again and think I may have the answer

Since f(x) = a(x) or f(x) = b(x) when the root is substituted in, it cannot be divided into a smaller polynomial with a non-zero degree. Therefore f(x) must be irreducible.

Thoughts, comments, insights ??
 
I'm confused. You start out by saying that f(x) is irreducible, presumably over GF(2). Then you go on to prove that f(x) is irreducible - this time over what?

Also, why is this in the Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics forum? It really should be in the algebra forum.
 
I'm confused. You start out by saying that f(x) is irreducible, presumably over GF(2). Then you go on to prove that f(x) is irreducible - this time over what?

I answered my own question (see f(x)=a(x).b(x) proof), it was just that I didn't read over the notes properly.

Sorry about the confusion

Also, someone pls move this topic to the correct forum. ta
 
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