Position, Acceleration, and Velocity of an Elevator

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a hotel elevator ascending 200 meters with specified maximum speed and acceleration. Participants are exploring how to analyze the elevator's position, acceleration, and velocity throughout its journey.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss graphing velocity vs. time and acceleration graphs to visualize the elevator's motion. There is uncertainty about the correctness of these graphs and how to derive them from the given information. Some suggest breaking the problem into smaller parts, such as determining the time to reach maximum speed and the distance covered during acceleration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being discussed. Some participants have offered guidance on breaking down the problem and using relevant equations, while others express confusion about the relationship between acceleration and velocity and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of acceleration and velocity in the context of the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between these quantities without reaching a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement


A hotel elevator ascends 200 m with a maximum speed of 4.8 m/s. Its acceleration and deceleration both have a magnitude of 1.0 m/s2.

(a) How far does the elevator move while accelerating to full speed from rest? (Answer in Meters)

(b) How long does it take to make the complete trip from bottom to top? (Answer in seconds)

Homework Equations


Velocity= delta-x/ delta-t

Acceleration= Delta-v/ delta-t


The Attempt at a Solution



For some reason I can't reason this one out. I have attempted to graph the velocity vs. time graph (which I believe will hold the solutions) and my graph turned out to be a triangle with a little below the x-axis. Yet this graph doesn't look quite right to me, and I can't figure out how to derive the correct velocity vs. time graph from the given information. I have also tried to draw the acceleration graph, slowly speeding up the elevator (1 m/s^2), but my graph has almost leveled out, proving something must be entirely wrong. Pure math isn't doing it for me. Any ideas?
 
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Phoenixtears said:

Homework Statement


A hotel elevator ascends 200 m with a maximum speed of 4.8 m/s. Its acceleration and deceleration both have a magnitude of 1.0 m/s2.

(a) How far does the elevator move while accelerating to full speed from rest? (Answer in Meters)

(b) How long does it take to make the complete trip from bottom to top? (Answer in seconds)

Homework Equations


Velocity= delta-x/ delta-t
Acceleration= Delta-v/ delta-t

The Attempt at a Solution



For some reason I can't reason this one out. I have attempted to graph the velocity vs. time graph (which I believe will hold the solutions) and my graph turned out to be a triangle with a little below the x-axis. Yet this graph doesn't look quite right to me, and I can't figure out how to derive the correct velocity vs. time graph from the given information. I have also tried to draw the acceleration graph, slowly speeding up the elevator (1 m/s^2), but my graph has almost leveled out, proving something must be entirely wrong. Pure math isn't doing it for me. Any ideas?

Maybe break it up into several problems? How long does it take to accelerate to the Vmax. That's almost the first part of the problem you have to find anyway. Happily it takes the same time to slow down at the same rate.

Once you found the time to speed up you can find the distance to speed up. That's the answer to part A.The distance to slow down is again happily the same. Then you know the distance that you will travel at Vmax and hence the time.

The formulas here may also help you:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=905663&postcount=2
 
LowlyPion said:
Maybe break it up into several problems? How long does it take to accelerate to the Vmax. That's almost the first part of the problem you have to find anyway. Happily it takes the same time to slow down at the same rate.

That really seemed like a perfect way to attack the problem after I read your post, but I can't figure out how long it takes to accelerate. I mean, I think the wording is confusing me. Do they mean the is takes just 1 m/s^2 to accelerate to 4.8 m/s? And then, how can I translate m/s^2 into velocity? Is that even possible with just the number 1? I'm completely flabbergasted on this one. Any other suggestions?
 
Phoenixtears said:
That really seemed like a perfect way to attack the problem after I read your post, but I can't figure out how long it takes to accelerate. I mean, I think the wording is confusing me. Do they mean the is takes just 1 m/s^2 to accelerate to 4.8 m/s? And then, how can I translate m/s^2 into velocity? Is that even possible with just the number 1? I'm completely flabbergasted on this one. Any other suggestions?

The statement of the problem tells you the acceleration. Velocity from 0 is time * acceleration. Hence time is Velocity / acceleration. Time to max speed then it 4.8 / 1.

Distance is related by the equation x = 1/2 a*t2

These equations are at the link I provided.
 

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