Positronium from vacuum fluctuations ?

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The discussion centers around the theoretical possibility of vacuum energy producing an electron/positron pair that could bond into positronium instead of annihilating immediately. Participants explore concepts related to vacuum fluctuations, energy conservation, and recent research on positronium formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea that vacuum energy could produce an electron/positron pair that forms positronium rather than annihilating.
  • Another participant argues that this scenario would violate energy conservation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to visualize the process of electron/positron pair production and its implications for positronium formation.
  • A later post references a paper discussing positron scattering and annihilation, suggesting that spontaneous creation of virtual positronium may be a possibility according to the findings presented.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of positronium formation from vacuum fluctuations, with some asserting it is not possible due to energy conservation, while others reference research that suggests it might be theoretically plausible.

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The discussion includes references to theoretical models and recent research findings, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or the implications of energy conservation in this context.

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Hi,

I wondered if it is theoretically possible that the vacuum energy produces an electron/positron pair which then bonds into positronium instead of directly annihilating again. And if it is theoretically possible has this ever been observed ?

Thanks and cheers.
 
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No. This would violate energy conservation.
 
I see. So how could I visualize this ? The electron/positron pair which can be spontanously produced by vacuum fluctuations (which should be possible, causing the casimir effect) do not separate far enough to escape each other (to produce a "real" electron/positron pair) nor to separate enough to create a positronium system ? Is that right ?
 
xortdsc said:
Hi,

I wondered if it is theoretically possible that the vacuum energy produces an electron/positron pair which then bonds into positronium instead of directly annihilating again. And if it is theoretically possible has this ever been observed ?

Thanks and cheers.

It's a really new paper.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.5243v1.pdf

Submitted on 21 Apr 2014

Abstract:

Positron scattering and annihilation on noble gas atoms below the positronium formation threshold is studied ab initio using many-body theory methods. The many-body theory provides a near-complete understanding of the positron-noble-gas-atom system at these energies and yields accurate numerical results. It accounts for positron-atom and electron-positron correlations, e.g., polarization of the atom by the incident positron and the non-perturbative process of virtual positronium formation. These correlations have a large effect on the scattering dynamics and result in a strong enhancement of the annihilation rates compared to the independent-particle mean-field description. Computed elastic scattering cross sections are found to be in good agreement with recent experimental results and Kohn variational and convergent close-coupling calculations. The calculated values of the annihilation rate parameter Zeff (effective number of electrons participating in annihilation) rise steeply along the sequence of noble gas atoms due to the increasing strength of the correlation effects, and agree well with experimental data.
 
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ah thank you. so if i understand it correctly this article seems to suggest that spontaneous creation of virtual positronium is indeed a possibility.
 

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