Possible explanations for meteor like observations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around observations of meteor-like phenomena and flashes in the night sky, particularly while participants were attempting to locate the star T Coronae Borealis. The conversation includes various hypotheses about the nature of these observations, including potential explanations related to meteors, satellites, and other atmospheric phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes seeing singular flashes in the sky that seemed too quick to be meteors, suggesting they might be specular reflections from satellites or space debris.
  • Another participant proposes that the flashes could be due to chemical noise in the eyes adapted to darkness.
  • Some participants mention the possibility of these flashes being related to retired Iridium satellite flares, which were previously predictable.
  • There is a suggestion that the observed phenomena might be mistaken for meteors, with a clarification that meteors typically appear as streaks rather than bright dots.
  • A participant humorously reflects on their experience using satellite tracking apps to create a spectacle during a gathering, indicating that such events can be timed and predicted.
  • One participant corrects another regarding the timing of the Perseids meteor shower, indicating that it had been ongoing for weeks prior to the observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of hypotheses regarding the nature of the flashes observed, with no clear consensus on the explanation. Some agree on the possibility of satellite reflections, while others challenge or refine these ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the visibility of certain constellations may be affected by light pollution in suburban areas, which could limit observations. Additionally, there are references to the historical context of satellite flares and their predictability, which may not apply to current observations.

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Astronomy enthusiasts, amateur stargazers, and individuals interested in satellite tracking and meteor observation may find this discussion relevant.

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TL;DR
Getting ready to find the Nova. Saw flashes.
My friend and I were looking at constellations to find where T Coronae Borealis will be. There were lots of meteors, despite not quite being time for the Perseids. It was thursday, around 10pm. We also saw satellites, and something else: Singular flashes like from a camera. At first I thought these might be meteors that were shooting straight at us. But they seemed to blink too fast for that, and there were no "almosts" that just moved a little bit. Any idea what these are?
 
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Algr said:
Getting ready to find the Nova. Saw flashes.
Any idea what these are?
Specular reflections from satellites or space junk.
Eyes, adapted to the dark, will see flashes due to chemical noise.
 
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Thank you Baluncore!

Also, T Coronae Borealis is generally described as being "Between Bootes and Hercules". But these constellations are too dim to be seen in most suburban areas. However, Alphekka (in Coronae Borealis) is part of a big equilateral triangle that I can see at home, and has a fourth star right in it's center. This triangle is strangely hard to find on star maps, so when it gets dark tonight I'll try to figure out the name of the other stars. Then I can tell people: "Follow the handle of the big dipper to the big pyramid"

Are people going to get mad at me for redrawing the constellations like this?
 
This sounded like an airplane to me if regular and space junk if irregular, or some early Perseides.
 
We saw plenty of airplanes, this was different. Singular instantaneous flashes, and then nothing. We both would see them together so not "chemical noise" Specular reflections sounds the most likely to me.
 
They used to call them "flares", and tracker apps/websites would predict them for you. Most were the Iridium constellation, which is since retired. Not sure if they are still predicted/tracked but there are many satellite finder apps/programs that could tell you which satellite it was.

Meteors aren't bright dots, they are streaks/trails.
 
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Algr said:
TL;DR Summary: Getting ready to find the Nova. Saw flashes.

There were lots of meteors, despite not quite being time for the Perseids.

ummmm - no, not correct ... the Perseids have been going for a couple of weeks
they just peak on the 12 August give or take 24 hours
So you should already be out there looking for them :smile: :smile:
 
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davenn said:
So you should already be out there looking for them
In the air or on the ground? :smile:
 
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russ_watters said:
They used to call them "flares", and tracker apps/websites would predict them for you. Most were the Iridium constellation, which is since retired. Not sure if they are still predicted/tracked but there are many satellite finder apps/programs that could tell you which satellite it was.
My first thought. Iridium flares are cool. *

But I'm sure algr would have mentioned if they were moving like Iridium flares do.


* I once used the HeavensAbove site to pull off a fantastic Mayan Priest-esque spectacle at an outdoor BBQ on a farm. The timing and sight line was incredibly lucky. It was fireworks night here in Canada, and everyone at the party had gathered outside for a few amateur fireworks to be set off. After a mildly-whelming volley I stood up in front of the crowd and said "That's all fine and everything, but I prefer to summon my fireworks ... FROM THE HEAVENS THEMSELVES!" A sweeping theatrical gesture toward the sky and, right on cue, an Iridium Flare appeared, peaked and disappeared to astonished "Ooh"s and "Aah"s.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
The timing and sight line was incredibly lucky.
Always check heavens-above.com before going to a BBQ. I have pulled the same stunt, several times. On one night it became totally overcast, but it was predicted to be a bright flare, so I went ahead anyhow. The flare was visible through the cloud, exactly on time, and where I pointed.

Now that the Ir flares are gone, I tell the participants that, as a birthday special, I have hacked into the NASA computer and programmed a satellite to turn on its down-light, and then the headlights at a precise time. It is then seen rising and passing, brightening for a few moments, right on time, before entering the Earth's shadow, clearly just when I programmed the lights to turn off, to save power.

There is usually one person who knows it is an act, who comes up later and asks, quietly, how it was done. I give them the heavens-above.com prediction printout for the satellite.
 
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So here is my rough draft for a nova guide. Suggestions welcome.
T Coronae Borealis nova location.jpg


Edit: The forum seems to have scaled the picture down quite a bit. The stars I have are (top to bottom) Alphekka, Izar, Nekkar, and Arcturus. Curiously, I have never heard of the first three before. Boring stars? At least I can see them.
 
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Humph!
 

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