Possible Outcomes for Cis-Trans Isomers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of the number of possible cis-trans isomers for a compound with three C=C double bonds. Participants explore the reasoning behind their choices and calculations related to the total number of isomers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially chose option B based on the presence of three C=C bonds, suggesting that each bond contributes to the total number of cis-trans isomers.
  • Another participant reiterates the calculation of possibilities at each double bond, questioning the total number of outcomes.
  • There is a suggestion that the total number of outcomes can be thought of in terms of permutations, although this is not fully resolved.
  • A later reply proposes that the total number of outcomes is 2^3, leading to 8 possible configurations, and lists these configurations explicitly.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to calculating the number of isomers, with some confusion regarding the analogy of a coin toss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for calculating the number of cis-trans isomers, and multiple viewpoints on the reasoning and calculations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of isomerism and the method of counting outcomes are not fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings in the calculations presented.

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I chose B, because since there are 3 C=C in the compound and each C=C constituting in both cis-trans isomers. But the correct answer is C, how come there are 8?

Sorry the title should be "how many cis-trans isomers"
 
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Janiceleong26 said:
I chose B, because since there are 3 C=C in the compound and each C=C constituting in both cis-trans isomers.
So there are two possibilities at the first double bond, two possibilities at the second, and two possibilities at the third. How many possibilities in total?
 
DrClaude said:
So there are two possibilities at the first double bond, two possibilities at the second, and two possibilities at the third. How many possibilities in total?
6?
 
Janiceleong26 said:
6?
No. Think of it as a coin toss.
 
DrClaude said:
No. Think of it as a coin toss.
Well.. In a coin toss, the probability of getting either a heads or a tail is 1/2. So if we toss three times, then the total probability of getting either a heads or a tail would be (1/2)^3 , am I right?
But if we were to choose the number of ways, shouldn't it be..permutations?
 
Janiceleong26 said:
Well.. In a coin toss, the probability of getting either a heads or a tail is 1/2. So if we toss three times, then the total probability of getting either a heads or a tail would be (1/2)^3 , am I right?
Right. But you should be looking at how many possible outcomes.

You're so close that I'll give it away: you have to multiply the possibilities, so you get 23 = 8 possible outcomes:
CCC CCT CTC TCC CTT TCT TTC TTT
 
DrClaude said:
Right. But you should be looking at how many possible outcomes.

You're so close that I'll give it away: you have to multiply the possibilities, so you get 23 = 8 possible outcomes:
CCC CCT CTC TCC CTT TCT TTC TTT
I see. Thanks!
 

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