Potential Energy and Total Energy Negative

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of potential energy, total energy, and kinetic energy, specifically addressing why potential energy and total energy can be negative while kinetic energy remains positive.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and total energy, questioning how reference points affect their values. They discuss the implications of kinetic energy's formula and whether it can ever be negative.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, providing insights into how potential energy is measured and its dependence on reference points. There is a clear exploration of the definitions and implications of total energy, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the discussion.

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Some participants reference specific equations and examples, such as the potential energy of an electron or a satellite, indicating that the discussion is grounded in specific physics principles and contexts.

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Homework Statement



Explain why it is possible for potential energy and total energy to be either positive or negative, but kinetic energy is always positive

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I'm thinking that Potential Energy and Total Energy can be opposite and take away from each other, so they would be negative to subtract, but not sure how to think this one through.
 
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Potential energy is measured with respect to a reference point.
For example, in PE = mgh, the PE depends on the h and where it is measured from. If you take ground level to be h = 0, then you have negative PE as soon as you go down below the surface.

The potential energy of an electron in an atom and of a satellite in orbit is measured with a reference point of infinity, so these energies are always negative. Believe it or not, infinite distance is the simplest reference level, because it is the only level that is common to all atoms or planets.
 
Ok, that makes sense, what does it mean when it says Total Energy? I think it means

E=KE+PE
E=1/2mv^2+mgh

So Total Energy can be negative because Potential Energy can be negative, is that right?
 
Also, look at your equation for kinetic energy: (0.5)*(m)*(v^2) - can any of these variables be negative?
 
well velocity could be I guess but it's square so it will always be positive.
 
Exactly! So then, can Kinetic energy EVER be negative?

Now look at the equation for potential - what can be negative there, and can it make the whole value negative?
 
no never, thanks for the help!
 
No problem! Physics Rules!
 

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