Potential energy curve of a molecule

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential energy curve of a molecule, specifically addressing why potential energy increases when atoms are brought closer than the equilibrium bond distance and decreases when they are near the equilibrium bond distance. Participants explore concepts of attraction and repulsion in relation to energy changes in molecular interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why potential energy increases when atoms are closer than the equilibrium bond distance and decreases when they are near this distance, suggesting a link between repulsion and energy increase, and attraction and energy decrease.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that the original question is self-answering.
  • A participant reiterates the question about the relationship between repulsion and energy increase, and attraction and energy decrease, seeking clarification.
  • One participant states that potential energy is defined as the negative integral of force over distance, indicating that force acts in the direction of decreasing potential energy.
  • Another participant argues that both repulsion and attraction can lead to energy increases or decreases depending on the distance change, emphasizing the oppositional nature of these forces.
  • A follow-up request for examples is made to illustrate the previous point about energy changes in relation to distance changes.
  • A participant provides an example involving two different charges, explaining that while they attract each other, separating them increases the system's energy, thus challenging the notion that attraction always leads to energy decrease.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relationship between attraction, repulsion, and energy changes. There is no consensus on the statements made about energy dynamics in molecular interactions.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of potential energy and force, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes varying interpretations of energy changes based on distance alterations.

freedom856
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Does anyone tell me why the potential energy increase(becomes more positive) when two atom put closer to each other which is smaller than the equilibrium bond distance while potential energy decrease(becomes more negative) when two atoms put closer to each other (which is close to equilibrium bond distance (faraway to equilibrium bond distance)

That is why repulsion causes energy increase and attraction causes energy decrease?

Thank you
 
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your question is itself being answered by yourself...:-p
 
i want to ask why repulsion will cause energy increase and attraction will causes energy decrease, Do you understand?
 
Potential energy is by definition minus the integral of force over distance, or force always points in the direction of decreasing potential energy.
 
freedom856 said:
i want to ask why repulsion will cause energy increase and attraction will causes energy decrease

This is not true as asked. Both can be seen as energy increase (decrease) depending on whether distance grows or goes down. As repulsion is opposite of attraction, nothing strange that effects are opposite when moving in the same direction.
 
Borek said:
This is not true as asked. Both can be seen as energy increase (decrease) depending on whether distance grows or goes down. As repulsion is opposite of attraction, nothing strange that effects are opposite when moving in the same direction.

can you give some example to me for what you said? thank you
 
If you have two different charges, they attract each other. Separating them means doing work on the system, and system energy increases. However, if you allow them to get closer, energy of the system decreases. So, you have a system of attracting charges, in one cases energy goes up, in other energy goes down. Clearly statement "attraction causes decrease of the system energy" is wrong.
 

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