Potential energy of a System of charges

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The discussion revolves around the potential energy of a system of charges, specifically focusing on the interaction between three electrons, where two are fixed and one is shot from infinity to a midpoint position. The problem involves calculating the initial speed of the third electron based on energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the potential energy calculations and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy. There are attempts to clarify the notation used for potential energy terms and questions about the reasoning behind certain equations. Some participants express confusion regarding the introduction of multiple potential energy terms.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and questioning specific aspects of the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct use of potential energy formulas, and there is a recognition of the need for clarity in the notation used.

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Participants note potential confusion stemming from the definitions and relationships between kinetic and potential energy, as well as the setup of the problem involving fixed charges and the dynamics of the third charge. There is also mention of the realism of the exercise, prompting further discussion.

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Homework Statement
Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?
Relevant Equations
NA
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This is my attempt the system

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The 1 is the initial configuration where the 3 electron is at infinity.

The 2 is the final configuration where the 3 electron is midway.U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e2
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
K1 = 0.5*me*V^2; // me mass of electron, V initial velocity to find out.

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;

U12 = U1;
U13 = U23 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);

U1 + K1 = U12 + U13 + U23;
K1 = 2*e2/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);
I then find the initial velocity, Is my understanding correct? Please advise.
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
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Try again. From dimensions you can see this isn't right My bad o:) --- ##U## is an energy, not a potential. The notation confused me.

I am almost confused by a renaming action like ##U_1 = U_{12}## -- Why introduce this ? Next line, you write ##U_1 ... = U_{12} ... ## again, as if you want to conceal that they are one and the same.

Physicslearner500039 said:
Is my understanding correct?
Why the doubt ?

PS do you think this is a realistic exercise ? Why / c.q. Why not ?
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
Homework Statement:: Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e25

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;
The electrons 1 and 2 are fixed. only the potential energy of the third one counts., the energy of the third electron is conserved.
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
Homework Statement:: Two electrons are fixed 2.0 cm apart. Another electron is shot from infinity and stops midway
between the two. What is its initial speed?
Relevant Equations:: NA

View attachment 261125

This is my attempt the system

View attachment 261127
The 1 is the initial configuration where the 3 electron is at infinity.

The 2 is the final configuration where the 3 electron is midway.U1 is the potential energy between e1 and e2
U1 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.02)^2); // q1, q2 charge of electrons
K1 = 0.5*me*V^2; // me mass of electron, V initial velocity to find out.

In configuration 2:

Potential energy = U12 + U13 + U23;

U12 = U1;
U13 = U23 = (q1*q2)/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);

U1 + K1 = U12 + U13 + U23;
K1 = 2*e2/(4*π*ε0 * (0.01)^2);
I then find the initial velocity, Is my understanding correct? Please advise.
Method is correct. But you should not square the position. It is like U= ( K x q1 x q2) / r
I think do
 
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Equate the potential energy of the third charge at the midpoint to the kineic energy at infinity. Looks like you're trying to do that. Also note what neelima said about r. I don't understand why you have all those ##U_{ij} ## terms. There is only one potential energy, and one kinetic energy.
 
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(For extra credit:) The third electron sits exactly between the two stationary electrons. The third electron is then displaced a small amount directly towards one of the stationary electrons. What is the frequency of oscillation?
 
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