Potential Vacuum Energy: Does it Double Every 11B Years?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of vacuum energy, its potential relationship to air pressure, and the claim that vacuum energy may double every 11 billion years. Participants explore the implications of these ideas in terms of potential and kinetic energy, conservation laws, and the nature of vacuum energy itself.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a cube of air has potential energy and suggests that vacuum energy could be considered the initial potential energy of the air.
  • Another participant asserts that both the air-filled cube and the vacuum cube have the same amount of vacuum energy, while the air also contributes energy due to its mass.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of vacuum energy doubling in 11 billion years, particularly regarding the source of this energy and conservation of energy principles.
  • A participant clarifies that vacuum energy, or zero point energy, is a quantum phenomenon related to virtual particles and is not the same as potential energy of air.
  • Another participant emphasizes that vacuum energy represents the lowest energy state and cannot be harnessed for work, despite its presence in space.
  • One participant suggests that vacuum energy could contribute to the acceleration of the universe's expansion, implying a form of work being done.
  • A later reply challenges the idea that vacuum energy cannot be used for work, questioning the feasibility of extracting energy from it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vacuum energy, its relationship to potential energy, and the implications of its doubling over time. There is no consensus on whether vacuum energy can be utilized for work or how it interacts with other forms of energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as conservation of energy and the Casimir effect, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and interpretations of vacuum energy that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Let's say I have a 5m3 cube of air and right next to it a 5m3 vacuum. Does the cube of air have potential energy? According to that, the potential energy would be converted into kinetic energy when the cube of air and the vacuum were joined. Would vacuum energy be the initial potential energy of the air?

And apparently (I read in a thread here) that vacuum energy constant will double in 11 billion years? Does that mean that the cube of air in 11 billion years will have more potential vacuum energy? Doesn't really make a lot of sense in the big picture.
 
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Both 5m^3 cubes have the same amount of vacuum energy. The side with the air also has the energy of the air [E=mc^2]. Yes the potential energy of the air pressure will be partially converted to kinetic energy as the pressure drops in half as the two sides are opened to each other.
 
As to the vacuum energy doubling in 11 billion years if it does it will do so in both cubes. I guess we could ask where does the energy come from? What about conservation of energy (or I guess in spacetime conservation of 4-momentum).
 
Rubix said:
...Would vacuum energy be the initial potential energy of the air?
No, that is not what the term "vacuum energy" refers to. Vacuum energy is also known as " zero point energy" and, if you are doing a web search, you should also look for the term, " Casimir affect." Basically, vacuum energy is the result of a phenomenon predicted by quantum mechanics; the continual emergence and annihilation of virtual particles.
 
Vacuum energy is never having to say you are empty space. It is what remains when everything else is removed from a volume of space. It is misleading to think of it as 'energy' because you cannot actually draw any energy from it. It is the lowest possible energy state that can exist in the universe. As Lurch noted, it is a consequence of quantum physics.
 
But it can produce a pressure that accelerates that rate of expansion of the universe.
 
It is misleading to think of it as 'energy' because you cannot actually draw any energy from it.

Really? So you could not do work from it?
 
I would say if it accelerates the expansion of the universe we are getting some work out of it. Though I agree I see no way to use the vacuum energy for human use (i.e. heating a cup of tea).
 

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