POVM Measurement Example: Intuitive & Easy-to-Understand

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This discussion focuses on the concept of Positive Operator-Valued Measure (POVM) measurements in quantum mechanics, emphasizing the need for intuitive examples that differentiate them from projective measurements. Participants suggest using a system of two particles with nonzero spin to illustrate POVM measurements, particularly in the context of measuring total spin. The discussion also references the Bell basis in quantum information theory as a relevant example. Additionally, the family of coherent states is mentioned as a POVM that allows for simultaneous but unsharp measurements of position and momentum.

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I need a simple, intuitive, and easy-to-comprehend example of a POVM measurement, which is not a projective measurement. Any suggestions?
 
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Take a system which is a tensor factor of a larger system and perform a projective measurement on that larger system with a basis that does not separate in that tensor factor. The subsystem is then undergoing a POVM measurement.
 
Jazzdude, it is clear mathematically but not physically. How a measurement in such a mixed basis can be performed in practice? Any simple example?
 
Demystifier said:
Jazzdude, it is clear mathematically but not physically. How a measurement in such a mixed basis can be performed in practice? Any simple example?

Indeed - mathematically I love that explanation - but physically its meaning is unclear. Physically I think the following is better - see page 14-16:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0205039v1.pdf

Its basically what results when you let a measuring system interact with the system being measured then observe the measuring system.

Also note the cool almost trivial proof of Gleasons Theorem with POVM's.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Demystifier said:
Jazzdude, it is clear mathematically but not physically. How a measurement in such a mixed basis can be performed in practice? Any simple example?

Take a system of two particle with nonzero spin and measure the total spin. Then you can describe the measurement as a POVM measurement for each individual particle.

In quantum information theory one often considers measuring an entangled system in the Bell basis, which also results in a POVM for each subsystem.

Does that make it clearer? If you're asking how you actually perform an experiment to measure those I must admit that I have almost no knowledge about that.

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Jazz
 
Demystifier said:
I need a simple, intuitive, and easy-to-comprehend example of a POVM measurement, which is not a projective measurement. Any suggestions?

The family of coherent states is a POVM of the kind you want, describing a simultaneous but unsharp measurements of position and momentum.
 
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Thank you all. The example by Neumaier satisfies my criteria the best.
 

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