Power transmission with belts at extreme temperatures?

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The discussion centers on the challenges of power transmission using belts in extreme temperatures, specifically in the context of a design project for lunar conditions. Participants explore various materials and mechanisms suitable for operating within a temperature range of approximately +100 to -200 degrees Celsius.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of belts that can operate in extreme temperatures and seeks suggestions or information.
  • Another suggests that a chain-belt could be a viable alternative to a v-belt, particularly if a continuously variable transmission (CVT) is not being considered.
  • It is noted that the challenge lies in finding materials that maintain strength across the specified temperature range, as many materials become brittle at low temperatures.
  • A participant mentions the possibility of using a sealed unit with a heater to maintain normal operating temperatures, emphasizing the concern for material strength at sub-zero temperatures.
  • Concerns are raised about outgassing of materials at low pressures, which could affect performance.
  • Some participants propose that metal materials, such as steel or glass chains, may be more suitable than polymers or petroleum-based materials, which can become brittle in cold conditions.
  • Alloys like invar are mentioned as potential candidates for maintaining dimensional stability over a range of temperatures, which could help with precision in mechanical applications.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the suitability of different materials and mechanisms for power transmission in extreme temperatures. There is no consensus on a single solution, and multiple competing ideas are presented.

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Participants highlight limitations related to material properties at extreme temperatures, potential outgassing at low pressures, and the need for dimensional stability in mechanical components. Specific assumptions about the environment and operational conditions are not fully explored.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals involved in engineering design, particularly in aerospace or extreme environment applications, as well as those researching materials science in relation to temperature effects.

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I am a student. We are working on a design project, and long story short, we need to transmit power on the moon. We have decided on a gear system but still need to transmit from the gear output to the axles, and were considering v-belts. Does a belt exist that could operate in such extreme temperatures (~+100 to -200 degrees C)? I can't seem to find much on this, any leads to info or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Unless you are thinking about a CVT (continuously variable transmission), a chain-belt is a good substitute. Before cars had timing belts, they had steel timing chains.
 
it isn't about the belt that exists, its about a material that can keep its strength at such a temperature range. Most materials become brittle at lower temperatures, even when they have excellent ductility at normal(earth like) temperature.

Have you looked into any vehicle design that have been to moon? Moon rover sort of things..

Or you can use a completely sealed unit with a heater inside to keep the temperature at normal operating range. 100 C should be okay, you should be worried about keeping the strength at sub zero temperatures.
 
The other issue you run into is at such low pressures you can have some materials experiencing outgassing.
 
A metal material would probably serve best in that type of environment. Polymers and petroleum based materials typically don't like very cold temperatures and can crack and harden especially when there is no humidity. A steel chain or possibly a glass chain would work well I would think.
 
There are alloys such as invar that can remain dimensionally stable over a range of temperatures. That might allow you to machine the material to closer tolerances and not worry too much about binding or slop when the temperatures go extreme.
 

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