Powerful equation 5^m+7^n=k^3.

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The discussion revolves around finding all natural numbers \(m\), \(n\), and \(k\) that satisfy the equation \(5^m + 7^n = k^3\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of modular arithmetic to analyze potential solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest analyzing the equation modulo \(7\), noting that \(5^m \equiv k^3 \pmod{7}\) and that cubes can only be congruent to \(\pm1\) or \(0 \pmod{7}\).
  • It is proposed that \(5^m\) can never be congruent to \(0 \pmod{7}\), and \(5^m \equiv \pm1 \pmod{7}\) only if \(m\) is a multiple of \(3\), leading to the substitution \(m = 3r\).
  • Participants derive the equation \(k^3 - 5^{3r} = 7^n\) and factor it into \((k - 5^r)(k^2 + 5^r k + 5^{2r}) = 7^n\), suggesting both factors must be powers of \(7\).
  • Further analysis leads to the equation \(3 \cdot 5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t\), where participants note that the left side is odd and the right side is even, indicating a potential lack of solutions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of \(t = 0\) and explore the possibility that \(3 \cdot 5^r k = 7^{2s} - 1\), which complicates the argument regarding multiples of \(7\).
  • There is a recognition of gaps in the reasoning, particularly concerning the conditions under which contradictions may arise or fail to arise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty about the existence of solutions, with multiple competing views on the implications of modular arithmetic and the conditions under which contradictions may arise. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their arguments, including assumptions about the parity of terms and the implications of specific values of \(t\) in the modular equations. There are unresolved mathematical steps that contribute to the complexity of the discussion.

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Find all the natural numbers, $m,n$ and $k$, that satisfy the equation:

\[5^m+7^n = k^3.\]
 
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lfdahl said:
Find all the natural numbers, $m,n$ and $k$, that satisfy the equation:

\[5^m+7^n = k^3.\]
please give a hint
 
Albert said:
please give a hint

Hint:
Step 1. $k$ must be even, so the LHS is divisible by $8$. This determines the parity of $m$ and $n$.
Step 2. Prove, that $m$ is divisible by 3. $k^3 \equiv \pm 1$ ($mod \; 7$) $\Rightarrow 5^m \equiv \pm 1$
($mod \; 7$) $\Rightarrow ...$.
Step 3. Rewrite the equation: $7^m = k^3-5^{3\cdot l} = ...$ and check for modulo $5$ and $7$ to conclude,
that ...
 
lfdahl said:
Find all the natural numbers, $m,n$ and $k$, that satisfy the equation:

\[5^m+7^n = k^3.\]
[sp]Working mod $7$, $5^m \equiv k^3 \pmod7$. But a cube has to be congruent to $\pm1$ or $0\pmod7.$ A power of $5$ can never be congruent to $0\pmod7$, and $5^m \equiv \pm1\pmod7$ only if $m$ is a multiple of $3$, say $m=3r.$ The equation then becomes $k^3 - 5^{3r} = 7^n$. The left side factorises, giving $(k-5^r)(k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r}) = 7^n.$ So both factors on the left side must be powers of $7$, say $k-5^r = 7^s$ and $k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r} = 7^t$ (where $s+t=n$).

Square the first of those two equations and subtract the second equation, to get $3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t$. But the left side of that equation is odd and the right side is even. So it appears that there are no solutions.

Therefore there are no natural numbers $m\ n$ and $k$ satisfying the equation $5^m+7^n = k^3.$[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]Working mod $7$, $5^m \equiv k^3 \pmod7$. But a cube has to be congruent to $\pm1$ or $0\pmod7.$ A power of $5$ can never be congruent to $0\pmod7$, and $5^m \equiv \pm1\pmod7$ only if $m$ is a multiple of $3$, say $m=3r.$ The equation then becomes $k^3 - 5^{3r} = 7^n$. The left side factorises, giving $(k-5^r)(k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r}) = 7^n.$ So both factors on the left side must be powers of $7$, say $k-5^r = 7^s$ and $k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r} = 7^t$ (where $s+t=n$).

Square the first of those two equations and subtract the second equation, to get $3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t$. But the left side of that equation is odd and the right side is even. So it appears that there are no solutions.

Therefore there are no natural numbers $m\ n$ and $k$ satisfying the equation $5^m+7^n = k^3.$[/sp]

Thankyou very much, Opalg! for a superb solution!
 
Opalg said:
[sp]Working mod $7$, $5^m \equiv k^3 \pmod7$. But a cube has to be congruent to $\pm1$ or $0\pmod7.$ A power of $5$ can never be congruent to $0\pmod7$, and $5^m \equiv \pm1\pmod7$ only if $m$ is a multiple of $3$, say $m=3r.$ The equation then becomes $k^3 - 5^{3r} = 7^n$. The left side factorises, giving $(k-5^r)(k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r}) = 7^n.$ So both factors on the left side must be powers of $7$, say $k-5^r = 7^s$ and $k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r} = 7^t$ (where $s+t=n$).

Square the first of those two equations and subtract the second equation, to get $3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t$. But the left side of that equation is odd and the right side is even. So it appears that there are no solutions.

Therefore there are no natural numbers $m\ n$ and $k$ satisfying the equation $5^m+7^n = k^3.$[/sp]
$(k-5^r)(k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r}) = 7^n.$ So both factors on the left side must be powers of $7$, say $k-5^r = 7^s$ and $k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r} = 7^t$ (where $s+t=n$).

Square the first of those two equations and subtract the second equation, to get $3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t---(A)$. But the left side of that equation is odd and the right side is even. So it appears that there are no solutions.

I think some mistakes in (A):$3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t---(A)$.
k is missing (and k is even),so both sides of (A) are even
 
Albert said:
$(k-5^r)(k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r}) = 7^n.$ So both factors on the left side must be powers of $7$, say $k-5^r = 7^s$ and $k^2 + 5^rk + 5^{2r} = 7^t$ (where $s+t=n$).

Square the first of those two equations and subtract the second equation, to get $3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t---(A)$. But the left side of that equation is odd and the right side is even. So it appears that there are no solutions.

I think some mistakes in (A):$3*5^r = 7^{2s} - 7^t---(A)$.
k is missing (and k is even),so both sides of (A) are even
[sp]You are quite correct: the equation should be $3*5^rk = 7^{2s} - 7^t$. My original idea was to say that the right side of this equation is a multiple of $7$. On the left side, the only possibility then is that $k$ must be a multiple of $7$. But in that case the original equation, reduced mod $7$, says that $5^m \equiv0\pmod7$, which is impossible.

However, there is a gap in that argument, because it overlooks the possibility that $t=0$, in which case $7^{2s} - 7^t$ becomes $7^{2s} - 1$, which is not a multiple of $7$. I tried to get round this difficulty by using the "even-odd" argument in my previous comment, but that clearly does not work. All I can say in that case is that $3*5^rk = 7^{2s} - 1 = (7^s+1)(7^s-1)$, which is a multiple of $8$. But so far I have not been able to get a contradiction out of that.[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
[sp]You are quite correct: the equation should be $3*5^rk = 7^{2s} - 7^t$. My original idea was to say that the right side of this equation is a multiple of $7$. On the left side, the only possibility then is that $k$ must be a multiple of $7$. But in that case the original equation, reduced mod $7$, says that $5^m \equiv0\pmod7$, which is impossible.

However, there is a gap in that argument, because it overlooks the possibility that $t=0$, in which case $7^{2s} - 7^t$ becomes $7^{2s} - 1$, which is not a multiple of $7$. I tried to get round this difficulty by using the "even-odd" argument in my previous comment, but that clearly does not work. All I can say in that case is that $3*5^rk = 7^{2s} - 1 = (7^s+1)(7^s-1)$, which is a multiple of $8$. But so far I have not been able to get a contradiction out of that.[/sp]

Thankyou very much, Albert! - for your sharp observation! I´m so sorry Opalg and Albert, that I overlooked it in Opalg´s answer. If you take a look at the suggested solution, you will find a remarkable resemblance with Opalg´s solution:

Let $(m,n,k)$ be a solution of the equation: $5^m+7^n = k^3$.

(1). Let us prove, that $n$ is an odd number: Indeed, $k$ must be even, and therefore the right hand side is

divisible by $8$. Since $5^m \equiv 1$ or $5$ ($mod\; 8$) for even and odd values of $m$, and

$7^n \equiv 1$ or $7$ ($mod\; 8$) for even and odd values of $n$, the only possibility is: $m$ is even, $n$ is

odd.

(2). Let us prove that $m$ is divisible by $3$: Indeed, $k$ is not divisible by $7$, otherwise $7$ divides

$5^m$. Therefore, $k^3 \equiv 1$ or $-1$ ($mod\; 7$). Thus, $5^m \equiv 1$ or $-1$ ($mod\; 7$). This is

possible only for $m = 3l$.

(3). Now we have $7^n = k^3 – 5^{3l} = (k – 5^l )(k^2 + 5^l k + 5^{2l} )$. The second factor exceeds $3$ and

therefore is divisible by $7$. If the first factor $k – 5^{m´}$ is equal to $1$, then $5^m + 7^n = k^3 \equiv 1$

($mod\; 5$) and since $n$ is odd, $7^n \equiv 1$ ($mod\; 5$), i.e. there is no solution for odd $n$.

If the first factor $k – 5^l$ is divisible by $7$, then $7$ also divides its square $k^2 − 2 · 5^{m´} k + 5^{2l}$

and since $7$ also divides the second factor $k^2 + 5^l k + 5^{2l}$ , $7$ divides their difference $3 · 5^{m´}k$.

Finally, since $5^m \not\equiv 0$ ($mod\; 7$), $7$ must divide $k$. Again, since $5^m \not\equiv 0$ ($mod\; 7$) the

equation $5^m + 7^n = k^3$ has no solution.

Thus, our equation has no solution in natural numbers (the only nonnegative integer solution is $(0,1,2)$).
 

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