Powering my xbox with batteries

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using copper-zinc batteries to power an Xbox 360 for a project in an electricity/magnetism class. Participants explore the voltage output of such batteries, the practicality of achieving the necessary power requirements, and alternative project ideas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests creating copper-zinc batteries in a saltwater solution and questions the potential voltage output and practicality of achieving 120V.
  • Another participant notes that a standard copper-zinc cell generates about 1.1V and explains the need to connect cells in series to increase voltage.
  • It is mentioned that the Xbox 360 requires 12V DC and over 10 A of current, which raises concerns about the feasibility of using homemade batteries.
  • A participant reflects on the power adapter's capacity of almost 200W, expressing doubt about finding a battery that could sustain such power.
  • Alternatives are proposed, such as using small flat watch batteries or creating wet cells to power a cheap calculator, suggesting that the current requirements would be manageable.
  • One participant humorously suggests using a can of coke as a component in the battery setup, questioning the effectiveness of the can's coating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that powering an Xbox 360 directly with copper-zinc batteries is impractical due to voltage and current requirements. However, there is no consensus on the best alternative project, as various suggestions are made without clear agreement on their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the limitations of homemade batteries and the specific requirements of the Xbox 360 power supply. The discussion includes assumptions about the voltage and current output of different battery configurations.

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I need to do a project for my electricity/magnetism class, and I thought about making several copper/zinc batteries to power my xbox360. Suppose I get huge strips of copper and zinc and put them in a fish tank full of salt water. How many volts do you think I could get out of this? Is there a practical way to get 120V by putting together several of these?
 
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First off, what level of class is this (middle school, high school, university)?

A standard copper-zinc cell creates about 1.1 V:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/chemical/electrochem.html

As you're probably learning, or about to learn, in order to get higher voltages, you'd need to put them in series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#Cells_and_batteries

However, that 120 V coming out of your wall isn't DC, but rather, AC. Since the XBox (and most electronics) don't actually run off of AC, the usually have power adapters that provide DC output. In the case of the XBox or XBox 360, that's only 12V DC. However, it requires a great deal of current--over 10 A (it's left as an exercise to the reader to understand this paragraph!)

Long story short, it's probably more instructive and significantly easier to pursue a different project. For instance, an old-school Baghdad battery:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

Bonus points for linking this into Archimedes! But please refrain from dancing naked in the streets... :wink:
 
University, it's a fun extra credit thing. I failed to realize that it's AC coming out of the wall :/ I'll look into those baghdad batteries though.

Thanks for the info!
 
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I was looking at my 360 power adapter a couple nights ago since my friend laughed at how big it was. That thing was capable of almost 200W. I doubt you can find a battery that will last very long to run that.
 
vincent_vega said:
University, it's a fun extra credit thing. I failed to realize that it's AC coming out of the wall :/
I'm just curious; what attracted you to a university course that teaches electricity/magnetism?
 
cmb said:
I'm just curious; what attracted you to a university course that teaches electricity/magnetism?

It's physics. general physics II
 
cmb said:
what attracted you to a university course that teaches electricity/magnetism?
Magnetic attraction, maybe? :wink:
 
vincent_vega said:
I need to do a project for my electricity/magnetism class, and I thought about making several copper/zinc batteries to power my xbox360.
Now that others have put the kibosh on that idea, consider alternatives. Something that operates from those small flat watch batteries, maybe? Perhaps get a cheap calculator and make a couple of wet cells to equal the voltage you measure of the calculator cell. The current it needs will be tiny, so your homemade cells should be able to power it (for a while, at least).

Can use a can of coke, where the can already furnishes one of the metals in contact with the acidic solution. (I thought the inside of drink cans was thinly painted with a plastic to minimize the drink dissolving metal, but apparently it is not a perfect coating, or something...)
 
NascentOxygen said:
Now that others have put the kibosh on that idea, consider alternatives. Something that operates from those small flat watch batteries, maybe? Perhaps get a cheap calculator and make a couple of wet cells to equal the voltage you measure of the calculator cell. The current it needs will be tiny, so your homemade cells should be able to power it (for a while, at least).

Can use a can of coke, where the can already furnishes one of the metals in contact with the acidic solution. (I thought the inside of drink cans was thinly painted with a plastic to minimize the drink dissolving metal, but apparently it is not a perfect coating, or something...)

Yeah I guess I'll have to scale it down. It's not as impressive as if I would have powered up the 360 to play a couple seconds of halo, but something like that works too.
 

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