Practical - Finding the value of gravity

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The discussion revolves around an experimental setup aimed at determining the value of gravity by measuring the angle theta as different masses are added. Participants are exploring the relationship between the independent variable (mass) and the dependent variable (angle) to derive a value for gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts to plot variables on a graph to find the correct value of gravity, with some expressing confusion over the relationship between angle and gravity. Questions arise about the validity of the experimental setup and the assumptions made regarding the tension force in the strings.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants suggesting that the current setup may not allow for an accurate determination of gravity. A few have noted that the angle does not depend on the gravitational acceleration, and others are questioning how any value for gravity could be derived from the given conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention a lack of clarity regarding the tension force in the strings, which was only revealed later in the discussion. This missing information may impact the validity of their experimental approach and the resulting calculations.

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1. We had to set up an experiment that looked like the attached diagram. By adding different masses (independent variable) we would measure angle theta (dependent variable). Our task was to draw an appropriate graph and from the gradient, see what our gravity value came to.




So far i have had no luck and what I am stuck on is the variables being plotted on the graph, as my first graph attempt didn't produce a value close to 9.81m/s^2 or 10N/kg. All I'm asking is if I can have a bit of direction with the variables I am supposed to display on my graph to find the correct value of gravity.
 

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how much did it produce?
 
The angle does not depend on ##g##.
 
I've tried various ways to produce the value of gravity (guess and check method - not ideal but it may help me realize), therefore I have achieved numerous results. The closest I got was a magnitude of 7.
 
After looking at the problem more carefully, I agree with voko. There is no way to get the value of g from measuring the angle in this setup.

It might have been possible to determine g if the blocks were moving (say the middle mass falling, and the 200 g masses [STRIKE]falling[/STRIKE] rising), and then the time taken for one of the blocks to fall a certain distance were measured. But this setup does not seem to allow for that sort of measurement, and you would probably have wanted the angle to be zero -- i.e., all the strings vertical.

(EDIT: made correction as indicated above.)
 
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actionreaction said:
I've tried various ways to produce the value of gravity (guess and check method - not ideal but it may help me realize), therefore I have achieved numerous results. The closest I got was a magnitude of 7.
Since g cannot be determined from the given setup and information, how did you arrive at any number for g?? For a given hanging mass, theta will be the same whether the experiment is conducted on Earth , Jupiter,, or the Moon.
 
Yeah I realized the problem. The reason why I still attempted was because I was intrigued why it was so difficult. Anyway, long story short, we were not told until today that a mistake had been made, and we were meant to assume we already knew the tension force of 2N for both strings. From that we can graph cos(theta/2) against mass.
 

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