Practical Problem re melting points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential damage caused by molten candle wax to a car's paint and a driveway, in the context of a legal case involving a court summons for criminal damage. Participants explore the melting points of materials and the plausibility of the claims made by the neighbor regarding the damage.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the plausibility of molten wax blistering car paint, citing personal experience as evidence.
  • Another suggests consulting a lawyer for legal advice regarding the implications of the incident and the nature of the act (thoughtless vs. intentional).
  • A participant proposes demonstrating the effects of hot wax on automotive paint in court using a piece of sheet metal coated with paint.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for candle oil to stain porous driveway pavers, with a suggestion to observe the effects over time in warmer weather.
  • One participant discusses the temperature differences between a car's surface on a sunny day and the pouring temperature of candle wax, arguing that the wax is unlikely to cause damage.
  • Another participant recommends testing the effects of candle wax on a junkyard car panel to gather evidence for the case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood of candle wax causing damage to the car and driveway, with no consensus reached on the validity of the neighbor's claims or the potential legal implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific temperatures related to candle wax and suggest various experimental approaches to gather evidence, but there is no agreement on the outcomes of these experiments or the legal ramifications of the incident.

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Hi all,

I am posting as a layman, whose 16 year old son has been issued with a court summons for criminal damage against a neighbour's car and driveway.

A few weeks ago my son thoughtlessly emptied a small glass candle jar out of his upstairs bedroom window into what he thought was the hedge. Unfortunately it went over my neighbour's block paving driveway and his daughter's Vauxhall Corsa. He is claiming criminal damage of £2500 to relay his driveway (the exact block is out of production and he refuses to let us try to clean it up) and £450 for a respray of what he claims is blistered paint on th car roof caused by the hot wax. I suspect that the damage was already there.

As a layman it seems to me implausible that molten wax would blister car paint, and I have even proved as such on my own car, but can anyone help me to prove it for the purposes of a court case? Is there a table of melting / boiling point of matrials, which would show this cannot happen? Sorry to take up space on this forum but I am determined to prevent my son getting a criminal record just because my neighbour is trying it on...
 
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It might be in your and your son's interest to consult a lawyer in regards to damages and criminal record, since you mention a summons for criminal damage.

He/she might advise you whether the distance from the window to the hedge, driveway and car would have some bearing on whether the tossing out the window of hot wax could be considered a thoughtless act or one of intent by the court.
 
Thanks, a lawyer is on the case but we just needed a pointer for the definitivee answer
 
You could take piece of sheet metal similar to that of the car, coat it with a sample of automotive grade paint and demonstrate in the courtroom the effects of hot wax on the paint,and submit the piece of metal as evidence. It may or may not work, but if your claim is correct then no damage would be done.
 
The oil in the candle was may soak in and stain a porous driveway paver but I'd want to wait for summer to see if it evaporates in the hot sun.

For the car: cars can get hotter on a normal sunlit summer day than candle wax, plus candle wax has an extremely low heat capacity (which is why you can dip your finger in it and not get burned), so I don't see any way it could possibly damage a car's paint job. My advice would be to measure the surface temperature of a car's hood with the engine running (may be difficult in winter...) and compare it to the "pouring temperature" of candle wax, which tops out at about 190F (88C): http://www.nuscentscandle.com/melt-point-and-pour-candle-wax-temperature-chart/

rlingineni's idea is good too, but I'd modify it slightly: go to a junkyard and find an exterior body panel with a factory paint job to test. You may even want to bake it in your oven or dip it in boiling water to see if anything happens.
 
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