Predicting Precipitate Formation with Al2(SO4)3 and NaOH Solutions

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The discussion revolves around predicting whether a precipitate will form when 1.5g of Al2(SO4)3 is added to a beaker containing 1125 mL of 0.015M NaOH solution. Participants explore the calculations related to the concentrations of ions in solution and the solubility product constant (Ksp) of Al(OH)3.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the concentration of Al3+ ions produced from dissolving Al2(SO4)3 and compares it to the Ksp of Al(OH)3 to determine if a precipitate forms.
  • Another participant questions the calculations, specifically the division by two in determining the concentration of Al3+ ions.
  • Some participants express confusion over the initial mass of Al2(SO4)3 used in the calculations, alternating between 1.5g and 15g.
  • There are multiple requests for clarification on the calculations and the process of determining the concentration of Al3+ ions in solution.
  • One participant asserts that they do not understand how to perform the necessary calculations and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly calculating the concentration of Al3+ ions based on the stoichiometry of the dissolution reaction.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and the interpretation of the problem. There is no consensus on whether a precipitate will form, as some calculations are challenged while others are proposed.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the accuracy of the calculations, particularly concerning the initial mass of Al2(SO4)3 and the resulting concentrations of ions in solution. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in previous calculations without reaching a definitive resolution.

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Students or individuals interested in chemistry, particularly in solubility and precipitation reactions, may find this discussion relevant.

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If 1.5g of [tex]Al_{2}(SO_{4})_{3)_{(s)}[/tex] is added to a beaker containing 1125 mL of 0.015M NaOH solution will a precipitate occur ? Ksp of [tex]Al(OH)_{3}[/tex] = [tex]2x10^{-8}[/tex]
 
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You have to try by yourself first.
 
15g/342g/mol = 0.00438 mol/1.125 L = 0.00389 M

[tex]Al_{2}(SO_{4})_{3)_{(s)} --> 2Al^{3+} + 3SO_{4}^{-2}[/tex]
[tex][Al^{3+}]=0.00389 mol/l divided by 2 moles of 2Al^{3+} produced=0.001945M[/tex]
[tex]NaOH_{(aq)} --> Na^{+}_{(aq)} + OH^{-}_{(aq)}[/tex]
[tex][OH] = 0.015 M 1:1 mole ratio[/tex]

Q=(0.001945)(0.015)^3
Q=6.56x10^-9
Q<Ksp
therefore precipitate forms.
 
1.5 or 15?

Why do you divide by two?
 
Because 2 moles of Al3+ are produced for every Al2(SO4)3 that dissolved
 
and Al(OH)3 produces 1 mole of Al3+ ions
 
This problem is a little different instead of having 2 solutions being mixed together and findting the concentration of the diluted participants its rather putting a mass of something in this case Al2(SO4)3(s) into a beaker full of 1125ml = 1.125 L
 
ghostanime2001 said:
Because 2 moles of Al3+ are produced for every Al2(SO4)3 that dissolved

Once again - if two moles of Al3+ are produced per each mole of salt dissolved, why do you divide by two?

Once again: was it 1.5 g, or 15 g, as you started with one number, but you used th eother in your calculations.
 
1.5g
 
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i just did my exam and surprisingly this question was on it. Let me set up the problem properly
 
  • #11
so is anyone going to help me out on this or not ?
 
  • #12
Ive trie and tried and i tried what the ****
 
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If 1.5 grams of Al2(SO4)3(s) is added to a beaker containing 1125 mL of 0.015M NaOH solution will a precipitate occur? Ksp of Al(OH)3(s)=2.0x10^-8
 
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Show your calculations. You have already tried once, but you were wrong - and I have pointed to two problems in your calculations. You have ignored my post so far.
 
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Thats the problem i don't know how to do the calculation! When i say i don't know how i reaaaaaally don't know how to do the problem !
 
  • #16
What don't u understand??!?
 
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it looks like u ignored my my POST so far when u asked me if it was 15 or 1.5 grams I ALREADY TOLD YOU its 1.5 grams man ****
 
  • #18
You have correctly started solving the question by calculating concentration of Al3+. However, you calculated it wrong.
 
  • #19
Al2(SO4)3(s) [tex]\Longleftrightarrow[/tex] 2Al3+(aq) + 3SO42-(aq)

The question says i have 1.5 grams so I am going to take 1.5g/342.14g/mol molar mass = 0.00438 mol

Then since the Al2(SO4)3(s) is being submerged into the NaOH solution that has volume 1125 mL (1.125 L) I am assuming it goes in the beaker so it's concentration becomes:

0.00438 mol/1.125 L = 0.00389 mol/L
 
  • #20
This is concentration of aluminum sulfate, but not of Al3+. How many moles of Al3+ are introduced into the solution per each mole of dissolved sulfate?
 
  • #21
0.00438 mol x 2 mol Al3+ = 0.00876 mol Al3+
 
  • #22
2 moles of Al^3+ ions in solution per each mole of aluminum sulfate dissolved
 
  • #23
So is anybody going to decide if my answer is right or not ?
 

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