Preparing for a Hobby in Theoretical Physics

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The discussion centers around the preparation for becoming a hobbyist in theoretical physics, focusing on the mathematical foundations necessary for this pursuit. Participants share their thoughts on recommended study paths, resources, and the relevance of various mathematical topics to theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a study path starting with Modern Algebra, Calculus, Geometry, and Statistics, followed by Landau and Lifshitz's 'Course of Theoretical Physics'.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of formal algebra for theoretical physics, suggesting that many physicists learn math on the fly during their studies.
  • A different participant recommends specific books for a rigorous treatment of mathematics necessary for physics, including Arfken and Shankar, while also mentioning the difficulty of Landau and Lifshitz's texts.
  • Some participants share links to resources and previous threads that may assist in the preparation process.
  • There is a mention of the difference between "math math" and "physics math", indicating a potential disconnect between pure mathematical study and its application in physics.

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Participants express differing views on the importance of formal algebra in theoretical physics preparation, with some advocating for its study while others suggest it may not be essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to mathematical preparation for theoretical physics.

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Participants note that the relevance of certain mathematical topics may depend on individual goals and the specific areas of theoretical physics one wishes to pursue. There is also a recognition that different educational backgrounds may influence perspectives on the necessary mathematical foundation.

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Hi guys,

I've read the 'who wants to be a mathematician' thread, which mentions Zapher's guide to 'who wants to be a physicist' but can't find it anywhere.

My end goal is to become a hobbist in theoretical physicist, but it's been so long since I've done any math and since I'm a bit of a purist, I've decided to start from scratch. Here is the path that I'm aiming for:

1. Modern Algebra (Seth Warner)
2. Calculus (Apostle or Spivak)
3. Geometry (haven't decided)
4. Statistics (haven't decided)

Once my math is up to scratch, I plan on completing 'Course of Theoretical Physics' by Landau and Lif****z.

Any comments on whether or not this will get me to my end goal?

Alfie
 
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alfiejohn said:
I've read the 'who wants to be a mathematician' thread, which mentions Zapher's guide to 'who wants to be a physicist' but can't find it anywhere.
Here you go: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=51406

That thread should be a sticky.
 
"Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" :(
 
My bad--that thread was deleted. :frown:

But if it's OK with Zz, here's a link that might work for you: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt
 
Being more on the experimental side, I really have no idea what would be a good preparation for theoretical physics. But if I may ask, why do you want to learn algebra (that is, formal algebra, not "school algebra")? I know that theoretical physicists tend to use a few tools from algebra like group theory. But for the most part, I'm not sure that this would be all that useful, since most of us who learned physics in school usually picked up the math on the fly. I was a math major in my undergraduate, and while the math I learned was interesting in its own right, most of my classes weren't particularly helpful for physics purposes. For example, I learned most of my calculus, differential equations, and partial differential equations from my physics classes. There were a few useful math classes I took, like complex variables, applied linear algebra, and numerical analysis. However, in general I've found that math math is different from physics math.

Anyway, I'm really no expert, since I'm only a first year grad student. But it seems to me that algebra might not be the most useful tool for theoretical physics.
 
You may want to check out the books I recommend in this thread.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=179776

They are precisely the books I used on a similar path to yours (a rigorous treatment of the mathematics necessary for physics). To that list, I'd recommend the standard graduate level analysis books also recommended in the above thread (rudin/royden).

If you want less pure math, and more mathematical physics oriented books, some standards are:
Arfken - Mathematical Methods for Physicists
Mathews/Walker - Mathematical Methods of Physics
Byron/Fuller - Mathematics of Classical and Quantum Physics

I haven't used Landau for the main physics texts. I used:
Shankar for QM
Arnold (Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics) for mechanics
Jackson (Classical Electrodynamics) for EM
 
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Doc Al said:
My bad--that thread was deleted. :frown:

But if it's OK with Zz, here's a link that might work for you: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=df5w5j9q_5gj6wmt



Wow, thanks for that link and thanks to Zz for writing it.
 
landau and lifshiz are very difficult texts.
 

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