Pressurized air in aluminum block help so it doesnt explode

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The discussion revolves around the design considerations for an air valve block made from 6061-T6 aluminum, specifically focusing on the spacing of holes and the required wall thickness to safely contain pressurized air up to 110 psi. Participants explore material properties, pressure ratings, and structural integrity in the context of this application.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the minimum distance between holes in the aluminum block and the implications of hole placement on structural integrity.
  • Another participant notes that the yield stress of 6061-T6 aluminum is significantly higher than the operating pressure, suggesting that the design should be safe at 100 psi.
  • There is a discussion about how the required material thickness is dependent on the pressure being contained, with one participant seeking a specific thickness value for 110 psi.
  • A participant provides a formula for calculating minimum wall thickness based on pressure and material properties, leading to a calculation that suggests a thickness of over 1 mm should be sufficient.
  • Concerns are raised about the sudden pressure shifts that could occur during operation, prompting a preference for maximum wall thickness to ensure safety.
  • Another participant comments on the efficiency of material use in structural applications, contrasting bending with stretching under pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the adequacy of the calculated wall thickness and the implications of pressure changes during operation. There is no consensus on the optimal design parameters or the safety margins required.

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Limitations include potential uncertainties in material quality and the assumptions made in calculations regarding pressure distribution and structural behavior around holes.

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Pressurized air in aluminum block.. help so it doesn't explode!

Hey everybody! Need some help with a design I'm coming up with for myself- it's an air valve block.

What I'm having trouble with is figuring out how close I can make the holes to each other?

I don't have any computing software that does this sort of thing or calcuations so I whiped up something in MS paint to show you:

schemh.jpg


The diameter in mm is there, max psi will be 100 (maybe 110 to be safe..).

The center hole is in the exact center of the block with one passage. The other two passages are 66mm on each side.

The passages for the air are fixed, but the holes can be moved off center (I think?) as they are just exhausting to atmosphere. Shouldn't affect it right?

Material is 6061-T6 Aluminum.. I would find a value for you in regards to pressure rating but I don't know which one I am looking for?

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Summary:
All holes same diameter. Able to offcenter the two from their passages.

Looking to keep holes as far down as possible to allow for more stuff in the top of the block.

-How far off bottom should the hole be?

-How close can the other two holes be to the pressurized one, and it's pressurized air passage.
(Give green line value if you can, as I want to trace a line with a compass off the center mark of the bottom one)

-Assuming 110psi including safety margin.

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Thx, and any questions feel free to post!
 
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Considering the yield stress of 6061-T6 is 40,000 psi, I don't think there is anything to worry about for 100 psi pressure, unless you want to make the gap between the holes a fraction of a millimeter for some reason.
 


But the needed material is a function of the pressure that it holds back correct?

For example it will be more for 20,000psi, thicker will be needed for more pressure//

I just need the value for thickness at 110psi but I'm not sure how to do it with the circular hole..

**Whoops that should say 6.6mm not 66! Only 31.75mm to work with.
 
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Guilty Spark said:
But the needed material is a function of the pressure that it holds back correct?

Obsiously, but we aren't mind readers. If you said 100 psi, we assume that's what you were interested in.

If you just consider a circular pipe with 100 psi pressure, the minimum wall thickness to contain the pressure would be (100/40,000) of the radius, which is much smaller than any real design would be.

For example it will be more for 20,000psi, thicker will be needed for more pressure//

That's a completely different ballgame, because the stress around just one hole in a large block is getting close to the elastic limit of the material. You would need to make a finite element model (including the material nonlinearity) to check that out.
 


So to get a rough idea I will use the fact that the corners of the block are not my limiting point- the sides will fail before anything else does..

pipe.jpg


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http://miutj.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/manual_recipientes_sometidos_presion.pdf

Using that web info for pressure cylinders I plug some values in and I came up with:

t(inches) = ((110Psi)*(0.34375 inch))/((40,000*1)-(0.6*110))=

0.0009468748 inch * (25.4mm/1inch) = 0.0240503 mm

So assuming the material is made to spec (which it's not really..it's unknown quality but seems ok) anything over 1 mm should be aces?

It's just so hard to believe one little mm is enough.. this stuff cuts like butter! :O
 
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That's because metals are much weaker in shear (cutting). In this case you are applying a very distributed load on one side (well net force for those people who want to be funny)...
 


True, I see now why aircraft are constructed out of it.. very strong stuff if you use it the right way!

One thing to note though is that it may be shifting from say 30 psi to 100 psi, rather suddenly if the device needs to use more force all of a sudden.

That shift might cause a blast of pressure, so I will be going with the max amount of wall thickness I can get away with!
 


Guilty Spark said:
very strong stuff if you use it the right way!

IMO one of the problems with "strength of materials" courses is the amount of time people spend analysing cantilever beams. Sure beams are important, but it's easy to lose sight of the fact that supporting a load by BENDING some material is very inefficient compared with STRETCHING the same amount of material.

You could squash your 0.02mm thick tube flat (i.e. bend it so it is no longer circular) with no trouble at all, but trying to increase the diameter by plugging one end and blowing it up like a balloon is a lot harder to do.
 

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