Prime factorization of rationals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of prime factorization in the context of rational numbers (Q), particularly exploring the idea of extending unique prime factorization to include negative exponents. Participants examine the implications of this idea and its potential connections to non-archimedean norms and p-adic analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that rational numbers can have a unique prime factorization by allowing negative exponents, suggesting that a fraction a/b can be expressed as a product of primes raised to the difference of the exponents of a and b.
  • Another participant indicates that this idea is useful and relates it to the study of non-archimedean norms and p-adic analysis.
  • A participant questions the terminology of "prime factorization," noting that in this context, everything is considered a unit.
  • Further clarification is provided that a unit in this context refers to any nonzero rational number having a reciprocal that is also a nonzero rational.
  • It is mentioned that unique prime factorizations are defined only 'up to units,' emphasizing the importance of consistent definitions in mathematical discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and implications of prime factorization in the context of rational numbers. While some find the idea promising, there is no consensus on the appropriateness of the term "prime factorization" when discussing units.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the definitions of prime factorization in relation to units or the implications of negative exponents in this context.

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It occurred to me that the rationals Q have also a unique prime factorization, as long as you allow negative exponents on the factorization.

If a/b is a rational, then both a and b have a unique (integer) prime factorization, and the fraction can be expressed uniquely as a product of primes, raised to the difference of the exponents found in the respective prime factors of a and b. Note that a/b does not even need to be reduced for this to work.

I find this a beautiful idea, but I ignore how to use it further, or what else can be constructed using it.

Edit: oops, except for zero... bye-bye to groups, rings, fields...
 
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Good news: this idea is useful. What you've done is come very close to discovering non-archimedian norms, which leads to the study of p-adic anlysis.

Bad news: you can't call it prime factorisation, since everything is a unit.
 
Thanks, Matt. What do you mean, everything is a unit?
 
Dodo said:
Thanks, Matt. What do you mean, everything is a unit?

Evey nonzero rational has a reciprocal that is a nonzero rational. In general, a 'unit' is a member of a ring which has a multiplicative inverse in the ring.
 
And (unique) prime factorisations, when they exist, are only ever defined 'up to units'. It is just about not mixing and matching your definitions, that's all.
 

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