Relatively prime proof involving a^n and b^n

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The discussion revolves around proving that if two natural numbers a and b are relatively prime, then their nth powers, a^n and b^n, are also relatively prime. Participants explore the definitions of relatively prime numbers and the implications of prime factorization in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of relatively prime and the fundamental theorem of arithmetic. They consider whether raising the equation 1 = ax + by to the power of n is necessary for the proof. Questions arise about the implications of prime factorization for a^n and b^n.

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Some participants suggest that the proof may be simpler than initially thought, indicating that the relationship between the prime factorizations of a, a^n, b, and b^n could suffice to demonstrate their relative primality. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of the proof, but also a sense that the discussion is moving towards clarity.

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Participants note that the original proof setup involves integers x and m, and there is a discussion about whether these variables need to be consistent across different parts of the proof. The conversation reflects on the nature of prime factors and their role in the proof's structure.

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Homework Statement


Show that if a, b, n, m are Natural Numbers such that a and b are relatively prime, then a^n and b^n are relatively prime.

Homework Equations


Relatively prime means 1 = am + bn where a and b are relatively prime. gcd(a,b) = 1

We have a couple corollaries that may be beneficial:
1. Suppose a, n are positive integers. Then a and a^n have the same prime factors.
2. Let a, n be positive integers. a^(1/n) is either an integer or it's irrational.

The Attempt at a Solution



By definition of relatively prime, 1 = ax + by where x,y exist as integers.
By the fundamental theorem o arithmetic:
a = p1*p2*...*pm where this is the unique prime factorization.
b = p1*p2*...*pd
m,d are natural numbers.

By the corollarly, a^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pm^n
b^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pd^n

So we start with
1 = ax + by
1 = (p1*p2*...*pm)*x + (p1*p2*...*pd)y****All I have left to do is find the way to raise this to the power of n. If I can raise it such that
1^n = (ax)^n + (by)^n the proof is done, easily, with what I have set up.

Question: Is this step needed? Can I just use the corollary to say that "by the corollary" since a and a^n have the same prime factorization and b and b^n have the same prime factorization, then we see a^n and b^n must be relatively prime?
 
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Homework Statement


Show that if a, b, n, m are Natural Numbers such that a and b are relatively prime, then a^n and b^n are relatively prime.

Homework Equations


Relatively prime means 1 = am + bn where a and b are relatively prime. gcd(a,b) = 1

We have a couple corollaries that may be beneficial:
1. Suppose a, n are positive integers. Then a and a^n have the same prime factors.
2. Let a, n be positive integers. a^(1/n) is either an integer or it's irrational.

The Attempt at a Solution



By definition of relatively prime, 1 = ax + by where x,y exist as integers.
By the fundamental theorem o arithmetic:
a = p1*p2*...*pm where this is the unique prime factorization.
b = p1*p2*...*pd
m,d are natural numbers.

By the corollarly, a^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pm^n
b^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pd^n

So we start with
1 = ax + by
1 = (p1*p2*...*pm)*x + (p1*p2*...*pd)y****All I have left to do is find the way to raise this to the power of n. If I can raise it such that
1^n = (ax)^n + (by)^n the proof is done, easily, with what I have set up.

Question: Is this step needed? Can I just use the corollary to say that "by the corollary" since a and a^n have the same prime factorization and b and b^n have the same prime factorization, then we see a^n and b^n must be relatively prime?
Yes to the last question. I was wondering why this looks so complicated.
Can there be a prime number that divides both ##a^n## and ##b^n##, when a and b are relatively prime?
 
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Yes to the last question. I was wondering why this looks so complicated.

Since a and a^n and b and b^n have the same prime factorizations, and a,b are relatively prime, then a^n,b^n are relatively prime.

Can there be a prime number that divides both an" role="presentation" style="display: inline; line-height: normal; word-wrap: normal; white-space: nowrap; float: none; direction: ltr; max-width: none; max-height: none; min-width: 0px; min-height: 0px; border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; position: relative;">anan and bn" role="presentation" style="display: inline; line-height: normal; word-wrap: normal; white-space: nowrap; float: none; direction: ltr; max-width: none; max-height: none; min-width: 0px; min-height: 0px; border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; position: relative;">bnbn, when a and b are relatively prime?

No.
Since they are relatively prime, that means 1 = ax+bm and by this proof, 1 = a^n*x+b^n*m
 
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Since a and a^n and b and b^n have the same prime factorizations, and a,b are relatively prime, then a^n,b^n are relatively prime.
Correct.
RJLiberator said:
No.
Since they are relatively prime, that means 1 = ax+bm and by this proof, 1 = a^n*x+b^n*m
Hmm, A little sloppy.
The "x" and "m" in the RHS don't have to be the same as the "x" and "m" in the LHS.

Example: 5*2-3*3=1, but 5²*2-3²*3≠1. (But -5²*5+3²*14=1)
It doesn't matter, you already solved the exercise.
 
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